Demonic leaders: Ain’t that something

Church lady and Trump

Isn’t that special?

It’s not uncommon for hyperbolic religiously-inclined commentators to refer to people they mightily disagree with as the Devil. We might view it to be the ultimate display of desperation – you have no real defense that will stick against this person, so let’s call them bad names. In the case of Alex Jones, promoting the idea that Hillary Clinton and President Obama himself smell like sulfur (Because they are demons from Hell, duh!) seems to represent an appeal to people who fear nothing more than they fear the Devil. Fear-mongering has been a key feature in the Trump campaign. He enhances Trumped-up fears about immigrants, terrorists, crime and lawlessness, and a dark future for America if Clinton wins the election instead of him. So, why not throw fear of the devil in there too?

Jones said on his radio show on 10 October that Clinton was an “abject, psychopathic demon from Hell”. Media Matters has the show transcript:

Jones transcript

Transcript from Alex Jones show

Now, I promised never to write about Jones again but this story is about more than his latest unhinged ranting. The slander goes back to at least June 2016 when Franklin Graham, son of Evangelical preacher Billy Graham, claimed Hillary was “possessed by a demonic spirit” because, get this, she likes to wear red (a demonic color), she is not subservient, and considers herself equal to a man. JEZEBEL! It doesn’t take much to be evil in these guys’ eyes. [UH OH! I stepped in it – Business Standard News is a satire site. I invoke Poe’s Law here. I’ve seen how Graham whips up a crowd with his Biblical absurdities so this really didn’t seem far-fetched. Just goes to show – fiction becomes reality. – Editor]

At the time, Russian websites also picked up the demonic Hillary idea and ran with it. A YouTube video showing HRC playing up for the camera in a light-hearted moment was described as an “epileptic seizure” related to her demonic spirit. Maybe it was a joke but I am reminded daily of one of our taglines: “People really believe this stuff“. [So you can see that satire does get traction, making it look as if it’s acceptable news. – Editor]

Perhaps the Graham remarks was where Jones got his inspiration for this latest zinger. He was no doubt also playing up Trump’s reference to Clinton as the devil in last Sunday’s debate when, referring to Bernie Sanders support of Clinton, said “I was surprised to see him sign up with the Devil.” And of course, there was that pesky fly, clearly an agent of Beelzebub. But it also was flying around Trump.

Several evangelicals obsessed with the coming of the antichrist and other End Times ideas have promoted evil/demonic rhetoric for ages. It’s just recently that it can be delivered to millions of people around the world instantly and be promoted by pathological pundits like Jones. In this current campaign, where nothing is too low to dredge up, it’s a contest to see how crazy a headline you can concoct. Unfortunately, Jones’ Infowars is gleeful that the story garnered a comment from the President about it. At at campaign stop on Tuesday in Greensboro, North Carolina, President Obama joked about the claim from “a guy on the radio” and then smelled the back of his own hand to see if he does smell like sulfur.

Ain’t that something?  Obama also emphasized that people really believe this stuff, then continued by making the point that it’s not going to work out well if you have leaders that promote such statements; people get so angry and so divided that nothing gets done. That’s been the mode of operation adopted by Congress for the last several years.

Doubtful News has far too many stories about dangerous exorcisms as a result of sincere belief in supernatural entities. While the idea of our President and the leading candidate being actual demons is ludicrous to typical readers of this site, it’s not so far fetched to half of the population. A 2005 Gallup poll showed a remarkable 42% of Americans stated they believe that demon possession is real, only 44% answered “Don’t believe”. 61% believe in the literal Satan. This is not something to joke about, this is a mainstream idea! However, it’s important to note that belief in this case is highly context-dependent. Gallup isn’t going to do a survey that asks specifically if people think Clinton or Obama are demon-possessed, but if they did, the percentage would not be that high (or respondents might play along for giggles). It’s likely many understand that this assertion is a ploy to affect those with overwhelmingly religious values and discourage votes for Democrats.

The use of this rhetoric toward Clinton especially by Graham is transparently misogynistic. Evangelicals, and Trump, do not value women’s equality nor do they respect a women’s place in leadership. They have an aversion to intelligent powerful women. Small men resort to name-calling and vicious put-downs because they are insecure and narrow-minded. The world population will not benefit from leaders who want us to go backwards, to a time where you can avoid dealing with issues by attributing them to demonic forces.

Special thanks to Strange Frequencies Radio and Jeff Wagg for the assists on this.

  19 comments for “Demonic leaders: Ain’t that something

  1. Bob Jase
    October 12, 2016 at 3:26 PM

    “Ain’t that something?’

    I was wondering if he was deliberately using one of the regualr lines from Amos ‘n Andy when he said that but he’s probably not old enough to remember them.

    Thank you Saint Ronald for making the GOP the party of theocrazy.

  2. Perry
    October 12, 2016 at 3:37 PM

    As you know, there are no devils, demons, or other supernatural entities. Evil is all about power, and what humans do to other humans and the natural world.

    “Evil is intentionally behaving – or causing others to act – in ways that demean, dehumanize, harm, destroy, or kill innocent people.” Philip Zimbardo author of “The Lucifer Effect”.

    Imo, that also applies to how humans treat all life and the environment it depends on.

  3. Tom
    October 12, 2016 at 4:04 PM

    Alex Jones is hardly a reliable source on anything outside his own imagination.
    Franklin Graham now running the business, needs to keep the family coffers full and Satan sells well.
    The fly probably did not want to get too close to Mr Trump in case he ate it.
    The fact that Mrs Clinton will probably win means that Messrs Graham, Trump and the other gentlemen will end up on the wrong side and they hate being proved wrong.
    America has just under four weeks to make up its mind, so the heat is on under the pot, the world can only stand in awe!!!

  4. BobM
    October 12, 2016 at 6:18 PM

    Does Alex Jones actually believe that stuff he rants on about? Or is he just into fleecing the rubes? Not American sorry :.)

  5. October 12, 2016 at 6:42 PM

    Is doesn’t really matter. People believe him and take him seriously.

  6. Gil
    October 13, 2016 at 5:23 AM

    Have all these religiots forgotten; they said exactly this about Obama before he got in, and we’re still here. No apocalypse, no end of the world, no fiery demons wandering around the White House corridors.

    Much has improved since the Bush years. Don’t they get sick of being called out on their idiocy and defending their past rants and raves that turn out to be complete bullshit?

    Oh, wait! No one does that, do they?

  7. Mike C.
    October 13, 2016 at 8:20 AM

    I don’t think Alex Jones is running on all eight cylinders.

  8. One Eyed Jack
    October 13, 2016 at 10:27 AM

    It’s not accurate to blame Reagan for the current state of the GOP. Jerry Falwell formed the Moral Majority in 1979, turning Evangelical Christians into a united voting block. GOP strategists recognized their potential for bringing in votes and began altering their platform. Reagan was the benefactor of that strategy, not the architect of it.

    The 1972 and 1976 GOP platforms made no mention of God. The 1980 platform includes a reference to God and sections advocating a constitutional ban on abortion and the appointment of SCJs that would overturn Roe v. Wade. link to billmoyers.com

    The 2012 GOP platform contained 12 references to God, while the Democratic platform had 0. link to cnsnews.com

    The 2016 platforms references to God (by my own count): Rep 15 – Dem 3.

    What does this mean for extremists like Jones? Although many Evangelicals are starting to distance themselves from the far right, extreme conservatism will always have an audience.

  9. October 13, 2016 at 10:35 AM

    It’s not about religious agenda and rules as just about crazy and scary thinking in general?

  10. Barry V. Evans
    October 13, 2016 at 12:45 PM

    Can you cite another source for that Franklin Graham quote? I have done some digging, and the site you link seems to be the only one claiming he ever said that. Even other reports of the quote seem to only link back to same site.

    Graham has made some disconcerting statements regarding this election, but this one does not sound like him at all. Rather, in June (the same month as the reported comments), Graham actually congratulated Clinton for winning the Democratic nomination and noted that he was concerned about the moral direction of BOTH political parties while confirming that he was not going to be endorsing either candidate:

    link to christiantimes.com

  11. October 13, 2016 at 1:13 PM

    I do not. He may not have meant it or even said it. But it does not change that some people believe it. Truth doesn’t really matter in current the scheme of things. Perception is reality for many.

  12. Barry V. Evans
    October 13, 2016 at 2:05 PM

    Wait a minute… “Business Standard News” was the source of that Franklin Graham quote? “BS News?”

    I hate to break this to you, but I think you just cited a satire site as a credible news source.

    On a “fact-based” skeptic blog. (If this site is also satire-based, I credit you for your ability to hide it well.)

  13. October 13, 2016 at 2:30 PM

    D’OH! I totally did. Made revisions and comments in the story in brackets above. I “applgize”.

    However, I think people might forgive me in this current climate of untruths, where satire is often the source of news for many. It’s the Upside Down. And, the fiction became truth to some. I just proved my own rule – people really DO believe this stuff.

  14. Perry
    October 13, 2016 at 2:40 PM

    Of course you’re forgiven Sharon. The difference between you and many others is that you are quick to acknowledge and correct your mistake, whereas many are all too happy to remain in their delusions.

    Here is a satirical piece by a comic columnist on one of my favourite Canadian news sites. In the comments section there is a long discussion between a believer in demons and a skeptic. The believer extends her delusion into the political realm in her various comments.

    “Please Advise! How Big Is the Demon Factor in the US Race?”

    link to thetyee.ca

  15. Barry V. Evans
    October 13, 2016 at 4:05 PM

    I appreciate the correction.

  16. Bob Jase
    October 13, 2016 at 4:22 PM

    Hey, the end of the world is predicted every two years and they fall for it every time. What does that tell you?

  17. One Eyed Jack
    October 14, 2016 at 10:27 AM

    Agreed.

    I got a bit off on a tangent addressing the Reagan/theocracy reference. However, it’s hard to deny that conspiracy theorists and religious fundamentalists share significant personality traits — an absolute belief in their own personal Truth(TM) and a blanket rejection of any evidence that contracts them.

  18. Sco
    October 16, 2016 at 7:46 PM

    It’s sad to see that now Alex Jones has bought into the system by the ridiculous smokescreen of saying that Hillary is a Demon of Hell. I guess if they keep handing all of these lies and fabrications to the media and public about her than it will make the truth of her being a reptilian that much harder to believe.

  19. Donald McDaniel
    November 30, 2016 at 4:20 PM

    Mr. Jones truly believes every word he speaks. He is NOT “insane”, just deceived.
    My brother is somewhat like him, but a Liberal. Instead of believing UFOs are
    UFOs, he is of the opinion that they are “demons” masquerading as machines, just
    as Mr. Jones does..

    Who knows what extremists of all stripes think about things? …

    Donald Lee McDaniel
    @OldCelticHippy.

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