Emergency at a German alt med conference

What happened when 30 some people took drugs at an alt med conference?

Authorities say emergency workers called to a conference centre in northern Germany found some 30 people staggering and suffering from cramps, apparently as a result of amphetamine poisoning.

Source: Dozens suffer apparent amphetamine poisoning at German homeopathic conference | CTV News

It’s not clear what happened. No one was serious ill.

The incident occurred in Handeloh, south of Hamburg and it’s reported that they were alternative and homeopathic practitioners. Latest word today is that a criminal investigation has been launched suggesting that people may have knowingly taken the drug referred to as “Aqua Rust” or “2C-E“, a psychedelic chemical that produces LSD-type reactions.

Some are wondering if they were doing a “proving” – a group test of a “remedy”. Provings with LSD have been done before. They are unscientific, subjective and worthless. But perhaps in this case, the dose was actually viable (unlike with the rest of homeopathy) and they were affected. Or, something else is going on. We’ll have to see. Updates are appreciated.

Credit: @Blue_Wode and @lecanardnoir (Andy Lewis) on Twitter

  16 comments for “Emergency at a German alt med conference

  1. Sids
    September 5, 2015 at 12:38 PM

    There were shouts of “is there a doctor in the house?”, to which no one replied.

  2. Bram Kaandorp
    September 5, 2015 at 6:01 PM

    That’s what you get when you have a degree in baloney.

  3. Lagaya1
    September 5, 2015 at 6:56 PM

    Whatever they took was probably diluted one time too many.

  4. Blargh
    September 6, 2015 at 10:57 AM

    Amphetamine poisoning? Don’t worry. I’m sure they’re headed for a speedy recovery.

  5. Bonnie
    September 6, 2015 at 11:41 AM

    I thought the whole point of homepathy was to dilute substances into nothingness. So what were they doing taking a drug that wasn’t diluted?

  6. Christine Rose
    September 7, 2015 at 10:24 AM

    Hahnemann and other early homeopaths did their provings with real doses. In general the idea is to find what symptoms are associated with a real dose but there’s also the idea that a person without symptoms who takes a dilute remedy will get the same symptoms that the remedy can treat. It’s possible that these people thought they needed a good idea of the symptoms they could treat, but it’s also highly likely that there was a mess up. Who knows though, maybe this was a faction of homeopathy that believes in provings with real doses. Note that one is told before the proving exactly what symptoms one might experience.

    Some of the techniques for remedy preparation are pretty odd, like the one where you fill a vial with poison, dump it out, fill it with distilled water, shake it, and repeat a few times. The process has the possibility of leaving poison on the cap or outside of the vial, and this occasionally happens with custom made or commercial remedies, although it’s very rare. If I had to guess I’d suspect it was reuse of an eyedropper or something of that nature.

  7. Mike C.
    September 8, 2015 at 8:53 AM

    They had to find a real Dr. who uses real medicine.

  8. September 8, 2015 at 10:31 AM

    They may be naturopaths, not homeopaths. Naturopaths, from what I gather, use a wider variety of treatments. http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/homeopathy-conference-ends-in-chaos-after-delegates-take-hallucinogenic-drug-10491114.html

  9. Christine Rose
    September 8, 2015 at 5:53 PM

    I also kind of thought of ayahuasca when I read the article. A quick trip to Google-land shows me that recreational users at least put these drugs in the same general category. People seem to think that comes from a plant = natural = healthy = healing. I thought it might have been some sort of bonding or healing ritual where someone took something they didn’t expect. I saw many such instances in college. Not that my fellow students were naturopaths, but there were occasionally large parties where people took something that had been misrepresented as a “good” drug (usually LSD) but which turned out to be some sort of evil chemical. Maybe they thought it was some sort of all natural trip which would enhance them in some way. The pictures indicate a large and secluded wooded area which probably has room for more than 29 persons to conference.

  10. Sindigo
    September 9, 2015 at 8:59 AM

    What they needed wasn’t a doctor, it was water, a strobe light, to give it 20 mins and some Skrillex. Everything would have been cool.

  11. Graham
    September 9, 2015 at 11:50 PM

    And the ‘Heath Freedom’ conspiracy theorists are now trying to link this to the whole “they’re killing holistic doctors” meme, Snopes has the details.

    http://m.snopes.com/2015/09/09/holistic-doctors-poisoned/

  12. September 10, 2015 at 11:07 AM

    Still no word on what happened because the people may not disclose what happened. However, it is annoying that people are simply making homeopathy jokes instead of getting to what may be the real story. But that’s comments (on other sites) for ya.

    http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/sep/10/homeopathy-conference-in-germany-goes-awry-as-delegates-take-lsd-like-drug

  13. Ken
    September 11, 2015 at 11:42 AM

    They say Like cures like… If they believed it, there would have been a runaway positive feedback loop of the victims taking more and more of the ‘remedy’.

  14. Kevin Fries
    September 17, 2015 at 12:48 PM

    Just as some added information: 2C-E is much more like LSD or psilocybin than an amphetamine. The amphetamine analog of 2C-E is DOE/DOET, which is ten times as potent, last three times as long, and is much more toxic. DOE is like an amphetamine plus a psychedelic, while 2C-E is almost purely psychedelic. That being said, using simple chemical tests it might appear to be amphetamine given this PEA backbone, and people unaccustomed to, and not aware that they are taken a psychedelic could easily have scary experiences.

  15. Foxy
    October 23, 2015 at 4:42 PM

    However, I would venture to say that every Naturopath has homeopathy in their repertoire!

  16. Foxy
    October 23, 2015 at 4:48 PM

    http://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/niedersachsen/lueneburg_heide_unterelbe/Handeloh-Seminarleiter-im-Visier-der-Ermittler,handeloh150.html

    29 Sept. release of German police investigative findings: The forensics lab has identified the psychotropic drug, 2C-E in capsules seized at the scene and there are legal proceedings going forward against 25 of the 29 conferences participants for illegal use of narcotics.

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