Sad that disclosure of obviously fake aliens is the last thing you do

This story makes me very sad and I wish it was not publicized. But it gives us a lesson about “deathbed confessions”. It also reveals how very desperate the UFO community is to provide “evidence” even when it is embarrassingly awful.

Boyd Bushman spoke with independent aerospace engineer Mark Q. Patterson shortly before his death last August and made some surprising and highly questionable claims about real aliens working at Area 51, faster than light travel and work on anti-gravity technology. The interview was recorded and you can see Mr. Bushman holding his photos up to the video camera. It would seem that Mr. Bushman really believed that he was being truthful. We can all be fooled. Here is the story of a Lockheed Martin engineer that was either too trusting and wanted to do what he thought was right or just making a spectacle for attention. We may never know why he did this.

Bad UFOs: Skepticism, UFOs, and The Universe: Scientist Photographs Plastic Alien at Area 51.

Most interesting are all the photos, supposedly of UFOs and aliens that he claims his friend took at Area 51, using a camera he provided. In fact, Bushman claimed that his camera was given to the aliens, who obligingly took photos out the window during a UFO trip, then returned his camera (although it’s doubtful that the aliens, traveling so much faster than light, could actually see anything). Weirdest of all is a “spirit photo” that supposedly shows the ghost of an alien that died.

Boyd Bushman showing picture of alien. Taken from YouTube.

Boyd Bushman showing picture of alien. Taken from YouTube.

The video interview was popularized by Art Bell and other UFO-themed sites. Though it’s clear that the “evidence” and testimony Bushman presents is totally worthless.

Note! Updated 01 November 2014: The previous video we had embedded here has been taken down for some reason. This is the same video, just a different link.

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The alien depicted is fake. (Update: There are many photos and pieces of documentation regarding the model alien used available as a mass marketed prop. This is conclusive evidence that it is fake. Also, one of the UFOs show in the picture comes from here.)

Dr. Stuart Robbins discusses the many reasons to be skeptical of deathbed confessions.

A deathbed confession can also be a way to solidify one’s reputation by using the cultural belief in its veracity to double-down on the claim to increase general belief in it.

The thinking could easily be, “People really believe that people are 100% honest on their deathbed, so I’m going to make sure I go out with a ‘bang’ and make my claims yet again. People who didn’t believe me before might this time because they’ll think I’m telling the truth ’cause I’m about to die.”

That’s why I find this whole deathbed confession thing unconvincing and, perhaps more importantly, not useful: We have no more information than we had before. We have no way to verify any of the information claimed. No way to test or duplicate it. At *best*, we have another person claiming this stuff is real, and while he or she may be proven out with the passage of time, their “confession” contributed absolutely nothing to that advancement.

Guy Chapman tells Doubtful News that in some common law countries, deathbed confessions (dying declarations) have a specific significance that elevates them above mere hearsay, but this is of course scientifically irrelevant.

More: 31-Dec 2014 Debunkings are Part of the Conspiracy: A Follow-Up on the Boyd Bushman Alien Video Claims – JREF.

  169 comments for “Sad that disclosure of obviously fake aliens is the last thing you do

  1. Angela
    October 29, 2014 at 8:49 AM

    Also sad (albeit interesting) that when confronted with the evidence that these were fake aliens–many who want to believe were not swayed. Some even went as far as to say that the toys were exact replications of the real thing. I feel badly that this man will be remembered for this. I am sure he did things worthwhile in his life, but this will be his legacy.

  2. CimPy
    October 29, 2014 at 9:03 AM

    “I am sure he did things worthwhile in his life, but this will be his legacy”
    I am sure he does not care anymore, though, but we should preserve memory of the fatc that being near death does not assure the trust will be told – as reasons for lieing even in that circumstance could be a lot…

  3. spookyparadigm
    October 29, 2014 at 10:33 AM

    See also Philip Corso and his anecdotes of spy games, seeing alien bodies, and seeding Roswell technology. Nicely packaged up (not really, it’s one of the hardest books I’ve ever slogged through) by a ufology writer in time for the 50th anniversary, and getting Strom Thurmond (IIRC) to write the forward until he realized what it would be about, so they had to recall and re-issue the book.

    See also Walter Haut, the guy who put out the Roswell press release, who was involved in creating the UFO Museum and Research Center, and IIRC whose family continues to be involved in it. Despite running a UFO museum dedicated to uncovering the truth about the Roswell Incident, he only confesses near the end of his life to having seen bodies etc.. Not particularly new or controversial claims (such claims by others were highlighted in the museum he helped create for two decades, just not his claim). The nature of how Haut ultimately signed off on his affidavit is one I’m sure some other posters here could tell.

    But that said, “investigatory” and “nuts and bolts” ufology is dying on the vine. Most of the remaining audience isn’t going to care, and will easily make the sort of fallacy statements Angela mentions.

    Belief in woo topics isn’t going to end soon. But I do think that much of the pipeline between interest in science and interest in woo that was in operation for much of the 20th century is vanishing, and these topics are increasingly getting eaten alive by the kinds of weird fringe religious ideas that have always been in the background: “cryptids” as Biblical giants, aliens as demons, Nephilim rather than Atlantis, and so on. Not sure if that is a net plus or not.

  4. Kurt
    October 29, 2014 at 11:49 AM

    If the guy managed to sneak cameras to aliens and get the pictures out, then why not just sneak out something that would prove it? Like alien technology? Or, heck, an actual alien? Or why not just tell the aliens to land in Central Park and show themselves to the world for the benefit of mankind?

  5. George
    October 29, 2014 at 12:15 PM

    100% Agree

  6. Tony
    October 29, 2014 at 1:22 PM

    There must’ve been something small lying around that he couldn’t pocketed easily, like a cosmic pencil eraser or (if they’re from the future) a 40th generation iPod nano.

  7. Rick
    October 29, 2014 at 2:55 PM

    Its also statistically impossible for the inhabitants of earth to believe that they are alone in the cosmos.

  8. roman
    October 29, 2014 at 3:58 PM

    So where can i buy this alien toy?

  9. elkrocke
    October 29, 2014 at 5:07 PM

    -The video is 32 minutes long.
    -Allot of time was put to develop a story about other scientists and himself working in Area 51 that sounds genuine, but isn’t true.
    -The makers of the video went through great lengths to create/buy fake alien props.
    -Traveled to the desert to take photos of the sunset above mountains and photoshopped lights above the mountains.
    -The story is being told by a successful scientist, inventor, and engineer who’s reputation without a doubt is true. -They waited until this profound scientists is close to death to record the fake video.
    -They waited after his death to release the fake alien video.
    -Because the video is very convincing, they must have tried really hard to convince the audience into believing their false story.

    With all the effort they put into this, don’t you think they would have used their own original alien dummy, rather than one that can be bought by anyone at Wallmart?

    My point is: If I wanted to make people think that this video is fake, I would put toy alien dummies on the market that are identical to the one in the video, so people would think that they simply used a dummy that they bought at some store, and therefore would discredit the entire video and make everyone ignore it.

    I’m not saying this video is true or false, I’m simply stating possibilities. 

  10. Slacker
    October 29, 2014 at 7:02 PM

    IDK, the story has some weight to it. This guy has legitimate credentials including documented work and patents on the stinger missile which uses a form of anti-gravity technology based on his findings to make split second maneuvers. He also has a bunch of classified patents. I happen to believe we are not alone and I have some rather undeniable proof of my own that demonstrates that there is indeed some higher level unseen technology present in our modern day. Just take a look at the Nazi’s development of rocketry. The scientists working on those projects are even quoted as saying the technology came from another life form. How do you explain such a rapid technology development during that period? Why do you think the head Nazi rocketry scientists became the top NASA scientists? They had information, technology, and advanced development processes that helped us put a man on the moon.

  11. Ronald H. Pine
    October 29, 2014 at 7:20 PM

    And then there are the made-up deathbed events that are used to advocate dubious propositions. Creationists/Fundamentalists, for example, have been known to make the false claim that Darwin converted to (or back to) Christianity on his deathbed. I seem to have some vague recollection that they have even claimed that he stated on his deathbed that he had abandoned the idea that evolution actually takes place, but I’m not certain that this vague recollection is correct.

  12. Ronald H. Pine
    October 29, 2014 at 7:25 PM

    I should have Googled before I commented. My vague recollection was correct.

  13. idoubtit
    October 29, 2014 at 7:36 PM

    Argument from authority is a fallacy.

    Look at the entire body of evidence. It’s absurd.

    You’ll need to document your claims.

  14. idoubtit
    October 29, 2014 at 7:42 PM

    To all the commenters that did not get past moderation, please read the Comments Policy.

    This site is heavily moderated. You calling me stupid will get your comment immediately trashed. Commenting is a privilege, not a right, and to make a counter allegation, you had better have some evidence other than more unverified stories.

    Don’t expect your UFO propaganda and wishful thinking to be published here. There are plenty of other places on the net for that nonsense.

    ~The Editor

  15. Tom
    October 29, 2014 at 8:43 PM

    Logical fallacies do not indicate a false conclusion, or for that matter a false premise. A logical fallacy simply indicates that the method used to derive the conclusion from the premise was not founded. Your calling the entire body of evidence “absurd” contributes as much to the debate as a conclusion derived from an Argument from Authority.

  16. tom
    October 29, 2014 at 8:50 PM

    Additionally, this body of evidence can easily be verified. With the presentation of the images, carbon dating can easily be conducted, photoshop experts can certainly credit or discredit the images, and the entire body of evidence can be authenticated or disproved.

    How you can claim that the body of evidence is absurd simply from the video lends to the notion that everything should be considered false on its face until proven otherwise. I understand you are a “skeptic” but if you were a true skeptic you would desire the authentication to prove your assertion of absurdity rather than simply spouting out the logical fallacies of individual arguments. Again, while the conclusion was derived from a fallacy, that does not mean the conclusion is wrong. Simply the method to obtain it is not capable of withstanding scrutiny from a logical standpoint.

    (Degree in Logistics and Polymatic Predicate Calculus as well as a fellow skeptic)

  17. idoubtit
    October 29, 2014 at 8:52 PM

    Evidence for aliens on earth please!!!

  18. idoubtit
    October 29, 2014 at 8:54 PM

    Then verify it. We’re waiting.

    We’ve had 60 years of looking for flying saucers and alien visitation. NO GOOD EVIDENCE. Endless parade of terrible evidence.

    Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

  19. Tom
    October 29, 2014 at 9:32 PM

    I completely agree with you. I was not asserting that aliens exist or that this video proves/disproves anything. Simply put, I was criticizing your reasoning for doubting the claim made by the individual above.

    As far as proof is concerned I feel that we are entering an era of technology that will, in the next 50 years, provide more evidence pertaining to the existence of intelligent life visiting earth than the past 50 times 100. Whether that is evidence in the affirmative or otherwise I cannot tell you.

    From a logical standpoint it is ridiculous, and borderline arrogant, to assume that in the infinite expanse of space humans were the lone intelligent beings. Given that there are numerous other planets capable of hosting carbon based life (and potentially infinite others which can support non-carbon based) it is logically significant that at some point on one or more of those planets life evolved in a similar manner to earth.

    Given a similar environment and similar conditions one would assume that similar results would occur. That is basic deductive logic. Same premises tend to produce the same conclusion. Multiply that “tend to” by the infinite expanse of space and similar planets to earth and you get a reasonably sound deductive result.

    I very much enjoy your blog (first time reading today) and really enjoy debating, logically, complex social and religious/metaphysical ideals. I hope you keep on being a skeptic, but I doubt it. 😉

  20. idoubtit
    October 29, 2014 at 9:42 PM

    I would say it is arrogant to say “life” but not necessarily intelligent life. I think this is an important difference and the average person assumes too much in their conclusions.

    I tend to disagree about similar conditions. I read SJ Gould’s Wonderful Life about 3 times – replaying the tape of life and contingencies and all.

    All I want is better evidence than a guy showing blurry photos that his friend took to a video camera. Is that TOO MUCH TO ASK?! Alien life for goodnesssake! Gimme something!!!

  21. tom
    October 29, 2014 at 9:46 PM

    Re: ^ I agree! I feel though that the validity of this video will 100% be proven or disproved by the ability of the individual to provide the actual pictures in the video to be certified. If they can’t provide the pictures he was holding in August for any reason I tend to err on the side of “false”

  22. the14thListener
    October 29, 2014 at 10:02 PM

    I’m pretty bored with alien conspiracies at this point. How about some transparency if the aliens are really here?

    If the Greys want to be helpful to all of humanity, then just show up in Central Park, or Tiananmen Square or the Eiffel Tower and say hello. They’re hanging around and working on stuff with the US Government, or the Globex Corporation or the Illumnati Conspiracy, they’ve figured out how to communicate with us. So let us know in your own voice you’re working with the human powers that be to gradually share your tech with us, that you mean well and so on.

    Until this happens, I’m going to not care and believe that any extraterrestrial life out there isn’t visiting.

  23. Headless Unicorn Guy
    October 29, 2014 at 11:00 PM

    Stinger missiles get their maneuverability from anti-gravity technology? WTF?

  24. Headless Unicorn Guy
    October 29, 2014 at 11:11 PM

    For a guy whose introduction to UFOlogy was through the Adamskyites (the original Saucer Space Brothers cult), my main interest was the contactees’ funhouse-mirror reflections, the “Nuts-and-Bolts” UFOlogists who couldn’t care less about the aliens, they were into the hardware. (Even what was then called “occupant sightings” and is now “Close Encounters of the Third Kind” were jumped on for disturbing the purity of their speculative analyses of Saucer technology.) Back then (the days of NICAP vs the Space Brothers, before cattle mutilations and recovered-memory abductions), the only Conspiracy Theory attached to UFOlogy was The Vast Government Conspiracy of Denial Orchestrated by the Air Force. Wild and crazy times, but in a way cleaner than the Dark & Edgy Grand Unified Conspiracy Theories of today.

    These days, my main interest is in the Nuts-and-Bolts UFOlogy papers like the Planiier Theory and Paul Hill’s Unconventional Flying Objects as sources for how an antigravity propulsion might behave and appear when I write space-opera.

    But after reading those Fifties Nuts-and-Bolts UFOlogists, I wonder if something weird DID happen back in the Forties and Fifties, the phenomenon stopped, and ever since UFOlogy’s been going on momentum digging themselves deeper and deeper into a developing folk mythology.

  25. IVR
    October 30, 2014 at 12:16 AM

    Yes, an artifact would have been preferred and would have led to a much more credible claim. However, I think having aliens land in Central Park would be a terrible idea; the freak out that would follow would likely be disastrous for humanity. Besides what if we realized they were looking for exotic things to eat like an interstellar Darwin.

  26. vicky
    October 30, 2014 at 2:49 AM

    i like your analysis

  27. Hiradon KB
    October 30, 2014 at 5:50 AM

    For that, look at all his interviews on Youtube. Boyd Bushman is one of the smartest guys the world doesn’t know much about. His ideas on Acoustical Notes, Hidden Forces of Nature, Anti-gravity, Hutchinson Effect are stunning if not convincing.

    He talked about the hidden forces of nature as forces that are not understood yet, like anti-gravity, forces that govern expansion of the universe, why we cannot find galaxies that revolve around another and so on.

    I’m not saying his claims on aliens are true or not, but I’m just saying he’s one of the guys worth listening and considering when it comes to such claims.


  28. Martin Harris
    October 30, 2014 at 6:41 AM

    Hi idoubtit.
    I’m trying to get to the bottom of this bizarre story and have a question. You say the alien depicted is fake, and provide a clear photo of a model that seems to fit the bill. Can you please provide a source or link for the model?
    Would be of great help thanks.

    Weird to see a guy like Bushman pushing this stuff, but then he was always considered to be something of a maverick at Lockheed Martin.
    It strikes me as possible that Bushman fed disinformation. Perhaps someone was trying to discredit the guy in case he happened to spill any “real” secrets from his deathbed? [pure speculation on my part]

  29. alan
    October 30, 2014 at 7:49 AM

    The term UFO propaganda is disingenuous. Wishful thinking is not. I am glad that your website is a great idea. Metabunk is another skeptics site. I am sure you would not want to be termed “skeptical propaganda.”

  30. idoubtit
    October 30, 2014 at 7:58 AM

    Pictures are TERRIBLE evidence. It’s a picture of a fake. How does that constitute evidence of real aliens or ufos?

  31. idoubtit
    October 30, 2014 at 8:09 AM

    See this comment:

    The person says he traced the source of the photo to an Above Top Secret thread from 2008, which also included a second photo of the same “alien”. The poster claimed it was a K-Mart Halloween decoration from the late ’90s.

  32. alan
    October 30, 2014 at 8:45 AM

    An uncle, who worked for the CIA as a director once told me, “if the choice is between conspiracy and stupidity, 99% of the time it is the later, it’s the 1% that scares the living shit out of me.” Let this be a sage words advice for all here. Pertaining to Bushman, the video will be debunked or upheld over time. There are some facts and much conjecture:
    1. Bushman was known in Lockheed as an excellent engineer and physicist.

    2. If the pics were taken over a decade ago, digital photography would have been available but maybe he gave someone his own Polaroid. Yes, this is jump, but can not be discounted. There is a lot of distortion from the pics shown.

    3. There is a air/space craft designated as a TR-3B (Tactical Recon 3 Series designation followed by standard version lettering) whose existence has been debated for years as being part of the Aurora aerospace projects. Testor (the model company) did, in fact, have a model made of this triangle craft. The company execs said the model was based on info they were given. If there is anyone out there that doesn’t think that “strange triangles” are a figment of someones imagination or all of the pictures are photoshopped, they are delusional. Not saying they are extraterrestrial, however,I work in the industry and know they are military.

    The point being the alien toys. If is not beyond possible that yes, someone gave a toy company, a design for an alien. It can not be discounted. Angela’s comment about “even went so far as to say the toy are a reproduction,” however is not without president.

    Upon observation, the alien or the toy alien, certainly isn’t a pretty little thing! Was it supposed to be a dead one? Sure looked like it or at least a doll! Another possibility is he was being “toyed” with (no pun intended) and given something to discredit or misinform.

    3. Yes, the holder of patents on Stinger missiles might not have a patent on anti-gravity nor make him an authority on aliens, however, Bushman would know and indeed does hold patents on laser designation systems and would have a wonderful knowledge about physics. To dismiss Phil Corso and say that some technology (i.e. fiber optics) was not back engineered from the Roswell is disingenuous. Does anyone here know how Bell Labs engineers got the patents on fiber optics and the history of this development? Very interesting history.

    4. The story of a P-51 pilot shooting down the Roswell UFO (unless it was a weather balloon) is pretty crazy. If there is a gravity well around a UFO than it would not make sense that bullets would be effective. Furthermore, Corso maintained that radar signal affected the navigation and caused crashing. There is also a theory about atomic detonation and the associated EM distortion causing crashing. Nevertheless, Bushman’s story is fantastic and of course, difficult to believe!
    However, unless the things like the images of the alien can not be discounted, then the rest of his story can not.

    5. I would focus on the alien imagery to debunk. The Phoenix lights did happen and may have been military or extraterrestrial. Ben Rich also had a “deathbed confession.” Google his name and the things he said!

    Finally, the pretty editor of this site wants evidence. We all have beliefs and some have a fair tale to follow. Remember what happened to those who went against the Earth being flat, just a few hundred years ago? If a nuclear submarine was on the shore of Spain in the 1400’s and the Queen said that all gold and no expense to understand the vessel and figure out how to operate it, it would not have been possible for probably a few more centuries. It would have been a magical device on so many levels from materials, to the structural components. Would it have accelerated technological innovation on the planet and changed everything? The answer is completely speculative. So it this story and must be proved or disproved on the facts that will follow.

  33. Karl
    October 30, 2014 at 10:55 AM

    Some skeptics have made a point that among the various reasons not to believe in these UFO type conspiracies is there have been no death bed confessions:

    It’s a “there are no black swans” claim made by some skeptics. So someone in UFOlogy has taken to proving that claim wrong with a video of a black swan. Alas, the way to prove that claim wrong is produce a video of a real black swan, not a bathtub rubber ducky painted black.

  34. MisterNeutron
    October 30, 2014 at 12:04 PM

    The heck with the video. Give us an actual black swan! These days, videos, still images, and audio recordings can be so expertly faked by anyone with a cheap laptop, they can no longer be taken as evidence to support an extraordinary claim.

  35. idoubtit
    October 30, 2014 at 12:14 PM

    Thank you for your well written piece EXCEPT for the gratuitous remark about my looks. Lame and makes you look like a sexist jerk.

  36. Omega Alpha
    October 30, 2014 at 12:48 PM

    ” Given that there are numerous other planets capable of hosting carbon based life”
    Given?Since when?Enlighten me please…Have we found a planet with the right size?right composition?right distance?with the right sun?With the right moon to stabilise rotational axis?with magnetosphere?with…with…with…(I can mention another 327 conditions…As far as I know we haven’t..As far as I know it’s within the realm of possibility that it doesn’t exist…If anything up to know the Universe has been proven unbelievably hostile to life…

  37. Inday
    October 30, 2014 at 8:51 PM

    With or without this scientist’s video, I am seriously bothered by the fact that some people think that it’s impossible that there are aliens. How self-centered of a thought could that be.. The universe is vast and large more than we can ever imagine and we think earth is the only planet that has life?? Seriously… Alien and UFOs are not that ridiculous, some fanatics just make it sound ridiculous. But if you really think about it, we shouldn’t be surprised of life on other planets.

  38. Adam
    October 30, 2014 at 10:00 PM

    Well I personally knew this great man! He would always want you to come to your own conclusions. I believe him because I knew what kind of person he was… Honest. RIP Grandpa.

  39. David de Morais
    October 31, 2014 at 12:41 AM

    To me, ufology is like a religion. You need faith to believe in something your sure exists but may never be able to prove it. Like all religions there are also the miracles ( sightings ) that are witnessed by a small group of people in a town we have never even heard of until it’s thrown at us through bored media. It comes down to respecting what other people believe in, wether it makes sense or not. You always have the preachers, the insane, the militant or the bored attention seekers using people’s beliefs for their own selfish gain but like every religion if there is no physical evidence then people soon start to lose faith. I reckon in another 20 years or so humans will have realized one of two possibilities. Either we are are NOT alone in the universe and we need to work together to protect our future or, we are the only life in this vast universe and we need to work together to protect our future. To be honest, I would just be happy if we all just worked together to ensure our survival instead of wasting our energy fighting each other over something we’re not even sure about. After all, wether we’re alone or not, life is a gift and death is inevitable!

  40. William
    October 31, 2014 at 6:53 AM

    Stinger missile with a form of anti-gravity? Have you ever been in the military? Have you ever shot one? Where in the heck did you get your facts from? Yahoo news? How do you know if he had classified patents if they’re classified? If they were then they wouldn’t have names associated with classified patents. I believe that we are not the only ones in the universe but just because this man is dying doesn’t mean we have to believe.

    [Editors note: removed all extraneous expletives.]

  41. idoubtit
    October 31, 2014 at 8:28 AM

    Once again, alien life elsewhere in the universe does not mean INTELLIGENT alien life or that which is beyond our own intelligence and can visit us. That nuance is a problem when asking “do you believe there is alien life?” Yes, but it doesn’t look like us or visit us in spaceships.

  42. idoubtit
    October 31, 2014 at 8:36 AM

    Once again, reminder, any comments with derogatory statements, off topic links or rants or just really pathetic grammar and spelling will not be approved.

    Also, to the assholes who just like to insult — I do have a day job. I’m a scientist and a policy writer as well as having a Masters degree in Education. I do this blog as well as serving as a professional consultant as a second (and third job). Suck it. Go start your own damn blog, we won’t post your silly rants here.

  43. idoubtit
    October 31, 2014 at 8:42 AM

    I also believe that people’s positive life work should never be discarded because of what they believe that seems contrary or any other mistakes they make in life (legal, moral, etc.). Your work should stand on its own. I have no knowledge of what Bushman did as an engineer but have zero reason to think that it was in any way incompetent. This story is on this site because of claim made by UFO proponents that this is good evidence. I totally disagree. It is not personal to Mr. Bushman and I resent comments who suggest there is something wrong with him (I trashed some). We are all entitled to our beliefs. When those claims are put forth as facts, then they are open to debate here.

  44. Peter Woram
    October 31, 2014 at 9:43 AM

    There’s always something with this stuff that breaks the suspension of disbelief. For me, it’s usually the point of origin or name of the alien home world. In Boyd’s case, the name was Quintonia. Sounded to me like a former Slavic or Soviet republic. Right next to Latvia and Estonia. Another favorite of mine is Rigel (add a # if you see fit); it was popularized in the original Star Trek series, and I guess it kind a lot of traction among conspiracy theorists.

    I find it bizarre that Boyd, an obviously intelligent fellow, would associate himself with such a patently horrible alien mannequin. You could tell it was a fake even in the bad photo within the sub-HD video. Either he was duped or was in on the con.

    There are way to many other things that clearly show this thing is garbage. I didn’t even bother to finish watching it. There was a time when ufology was cool. That time has long since passed.

  45. October 31, 2014 at 9:55 AM

    Over a billion stars in our galaxy. Over a billion galaxies that we know of. It is statistically impossible for life to not exist beyond our solar system. I can’t understand the reasoning for this hoax. The only thing that casts some doubt is the size of the toy in pictures on yhe internet and the size of it in the elleged alien photos. There’s a man’s hand under the head which shows the alien to be relatively to scale. The rubber toy however is only a foot tall.

    I was so exited about this news, but within minutes severley let down. I believe we’ll find better ebidence that Santa is real than a decent photo of an alien and/or its craft. Bummer.

  46. Matt
    October 31, 2014 at 10:20 AM

    “Look at the entire body of evidence. It’s absurd.”

    Whether you think something is “absurd” has no relevance to whether it’s true or not.

    Much of quantum physics could be termed absurd. It also appears to be true.

  47. Rich
    October 31, 2014 at 10:53 AM

    I’m not sure your points follow on logically from one another.

    You’re probably right, there’s every chance that there is life out there somewhere. It’s not necessarily capable of building spaceships.

    It doesn’t follow either that Nazi development of rocket technology is “undeniable proof” of extra-terrestrial technology. That the Nazis had a ‘vril-powered bell,’ for example, is based on the very thinnest and shakiest of stories – and where are these ‘quotes’ that you mention?

    Rather more plausible is the tremendous pressure war placed on technological development. World War Two technology went from biplanes to jet aircraft, radar, the nuclear bomb and rockets that could reach space. The processes that lead to these developments are very well documented, and not extra-terrestrial.

    (Also, given that both the British and the Germans developed the jet engine, were the aliens being decently even-handed in the distribution of their technology?)

  48. Matt
    October 31, 2014 at 11:00 AM

    “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.”

    I never liked Mr Sagan’s phrase. Just “claims require evidence” would do fine.

    “Extraordinary” is purely subjective, dependent 0n the person, the time that person is alive, etc.

    The claim that the earth orbits the sun might be described as “extraordinary” by someone living 1000 years ago, but not by someone alive today. So is the claim extraordinary or not? Neither – the use of the word is meaningless.

  49. UncleBoydWasFun
    October 31, 2014 at 11:19 AM

    I knew “Uncle Boyd” well, and worked with him off and on for years. He was actually a really nice old guy, very friendly, always coming up with the wildest ideas, and quite truthfully, innocently fraudulent. He was the weirdest mix of 1 part science, 5 parts eccentricity and 4 parts gentleman I have ever and will ever know. He was so convinced that Egyptians built the pyramids under alien supervision and “altered gravity” devices to lighten the mass and reduce the inertia and momentum of the huge stone blocks the pyramids are built from, that he started teaching himself the “ancient” Egyptian language to learn more. He carried crystals around in his coat pockets that, when he handed one to you, he claimed were limitless self-heating sources of energy, and that they somehow knew to “amazingly” adjust their heat output to match human body temperature so we wouldn’t be hurt by them. He was convinced he had measured changes in gravity’s pull over a range of only 40 feet, or about four stories, which happened to match the height of the building he made this claim in. He claimed that bullets radiated microwave energy, charging surfaces with high-voltage DC made them invisible to radar, that stacks of rubber mats impregnated with stainless steel needles caused an imbalance in the forces in zero-point energy and made them over-unity energy sources. He studied works by Searle and Hutchinson with a passion, as well as papers by Biefield and Brown on electro-gravitic propulsion, and claimed to have used the Biefield-Brown principle to float heavy objects around. He was basically Nikola Tesla on a lifelong LSD trip. But still, I’m proud to have known this gentle and creative crackpot.

  50. Interested Party
    October 31, 2014 at 11:34 AM

    I’ll be interested to see what other photos show up of those alien toys. If they were sold at big box stores in the 90s, then there should be a lot of the toys still around (soon to be on eBay I bet.) Why are we only seeing the same photos of the toy? There should be hundreds of photos from regular folks who say, hey! I got one of those!

    It’s hard for me to believe there are only a few photos of a real rubber toy example. It’s actually easier for me to believe the toy was Photoshopped onto the chair.

  51. idoubtit
    October 31, 2014 at 11:43 AM

    If the evidence is absurd and flies in the face of well-documented knowledge, yes it does have relevance.

  52. idoubtit
    October 31, 2014 at 11:44 AM

    You misunderstand the context of the quote. If you are going to claim something that requires me to disregard a whole bunch of well-established human knowledge, you had better have more than blurry pictures and anecdotes.

  53. idoubtit
    October 31, 2014 at 11:46 AM

    I don’t know… we don’t necessarily take pictures of such stuff. I don’t find it that surprising. It was a long time ago. Maybe it was a cheap foam alien that disintegrated in the sun.

  54. Torkel Ødegård
    October 31, 2014 at 11:51 AM

    It doesn’t necessarily have to be a mass produced alien toy. Could be someone made one themselves.

  55. Interested Party
    October 31, 2014 at 11:56 AM

    No, I didn’t mean that they would have taken the photos way back then. I mean now that this is such a controversy, don’t you think people who still have these things in their Halloween decoration bin in the garage would recognize it and start posting photos & videos all over?

    “Hey I got an alien too!” sort of thing…

    I know I can get a Frito Bandito pencil eraser top from the 60’s on any given day on eBay – because people save things. I imagine that if you had one of these toys, you wouldn’t just throw it away after the holiday. People decorate with the same decorations year after year. We’re not talking that long ago. Or if some people trashed theirs, how many others would have saved theirs? There must have been thousands of these dolls sold during that time period.

    I was just noting how there isn’t even one more photo of a doll from somebody else who still has one today. Not one.

  56. brano bielik
    October 31, 2014 at 11:57 AM

    really interesting story.
    not because of claims he said (we’ve heard this hundred times) but because of who he was and rather than disproving his story (I agree with Sharon – extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence) I would pay more attention to motives behind these claims.
    sure all theories would be just mere speculations but so are claims in this video and contradictory claims disproving them.
    so why would he do that?
    to be remembered? considering his professional life it wouldn’t make sense
    was it a joke? he would have had to be very funny person
    was he misinformed and somehow lead to believe all this fairy tale by unknown person or persons (again for unknown motivation behind it?) this could be but why… (same Q as why he would have do that intentionally)
    did he go crazy at the end of his life? this is implausible
    is it true? (are dragons and angels real?) this Q is thus irrelevant , it would be just matter of belief
    another possibility is that he did it on purpose (same motive as why somebody else would have mislead him to believe these claims)

    so if anybody behind this story (weather it was him or somebody how fed him with these theories) wanted him to share it, what’s the gain?

    this is just theory and it’s not mine. some believe that all UFO stuff is just propaganda to justify militarization of space

    but I too am skeptic 😉

  57. Interested Party
    October 31, 2014 at 11:59 AM

    I believe the person who posted the toy photo said it was a mass produced toy from Kmart in the 90s.

  58. Interested Party
    October 31, 2014 at 12:01 PM

    The person who took the toy in the chair photo obviously saved his. It’s not so hard to postulate that other people still have theirs…

  59. theriverpilot
    October 31, 2014 at 1:00 PM

    I think this is a very important point. It’s very possible that life can and does exist elsewhere in the universe; my problem is why does that mean these “aliens” have to be humanoid? Or even have 5 fingers and 5 toes, 2 eyes, etc. as Mr Bushman described? Despite Mr. Bushman’s credentials, this is where he lost me. What’s to say life elsewhere isn’t some blob or even a consciousness (no, not god. That’s another topic for another time)? My conclusion is the aliens are humanoid in shape because they’re created in the minds of humans.

  60. Bernard
    October 31, 2014 at 1:27 PM

    “Allot”? “who’s”? “Wallmart”? If you were smart, you’d at least know how to spell.

  61. Jay
    October 31, 2014 at 1:28 PM

    I don’t know why you would consider it “Sad” that this was what he chose to do on his deathbed? Any choice a person makes during their acceptance of death, the end of their life, I respect, I don’t know why it would ever be considered “sad”. It was his life, his choice, and his last good bye as he wanted it. Whether it be 100% factual, completely false, or anything in between, if he believed it in his own mind, can you take that away from him? if this is what he wanted, accept it for what it is.
    For example, people with mental disabilities live in a world completely different to the average person, and to them in their mind it is just as legitimate and “real” as the life you or I lead. I volunteer at a local home for people with severe mental disabilities and the conversations you have with them is fascinating, they live in a realm of detail that you cannot deny, so I don’t consider my life experiences, choices or beliefs to be any more credible than whats going on their minds. they believe it to be true so let them have that.
    I know your looking for facts, but that doesn’t mean you need to discredit this man to the point of calling this mans beliefs “embarrassingly awful”.
    I don’t think for one second he is purposely trying to trick people or spread misinformation, I think he genuinely believes everything he is saying, so respect the fact that his brain works differently than ours. Respect the fact he has obviously lived a unique life and (potentially) created this world inside his mind that he thrived in, that he believed in undoubtedly.
    If I had a friend or relative who wanted me to record him giving a speech and/or story like this and then show it to the public after his death, if that was his last wish, then I would respect his wish and do exactly has he asks. Who am I to pass judgement? And I would not think for a second it was “embarrassingly awful”. I would do it with a smile and a cheers to his unique existence.

  62. Interested Party
    October 31, 2014 at 1:42 PM

    Many people are asking why he would do this if it’s a fake, and my husband had a good answer to that. He might just be setting up his family for a million dollar book deal that would make them comfortable for the rest of their lives. That might be worth a death bed fallacy.

    However, I see that the man at least believes in life after death (at least for 3 days,) in which case I would wonder if he wouldn’t be worried about repercussions for the lies he was telling if he believed he was about to meet his maker and expect judgement for his life.

  63. fixitup
    October 31, 2014 at 1:53 PM

    I am a critic of this attempt to use this elderly gentleman for their own (perceived) gain. It was poorly done even at an armature’s level and that, perhaps, is telling in and of itself. The use of obviously faked props; missteps; rambling nonsensical dialog. Failure to edit in (still) closeups of the supposed photos makes ME think that it was done by none other than the government itself. They may have wanted the effect which this video has generated to date. Only a fool would NOT do diligence on the information provided in the video and check much of it to see if what we have been told is factual, unverifiable or just plain B.S.
    If the old gentleman DID, in fact know or see something incredible, this certainly wasn’t the way to present it. I feel sorry for his legacy and his family’s reputation.

  64. Torkel Ødegård
    October 31, 2014 at 1:59 PM

    Have you considered the possibility that English might not be this person’s first language? As long as they can write in a coherent manner, is it that big of a deal if there are a few very minor typos?

  65. Torkel Ødegård
    October 31, 2014 at 2:01 PM

    If you ask me, the alien in both pictures look exactly the same. The backgrounds are different, but hey, maybe the guy took more than one picture…

  66. HappyFunBonkoSlut
    October 31, 2014 at 2:06 PM

    if you go to the actual website that the doll was posted and see all the pics. the face struscture of the alien in boyd’s pictures compared to the doll are similar. but as for the body, hands, toes they differ.

  67. idoubtit
    October 31, 2014 at 2:53 PM

    So… we conclude it’s a real alien? No.

  68. Marilyn
    October 31, 2014 at 2:55 PM

    I almost wonder if he was pestered by UFO enthusiasts all his life and was finally like, “You know what? I’m gonna make these idiots believe my grandson’s plastic alien toy is the real deal. Show them pictures and half-ass presentation boards. They’ll eat it up. Jokes on you, suckers.”
    I honestly have no better explanation for why someone so smart would actually try to pass off pictures of a cheap, readily available doll as evidence for an intelligent alien life form.

  69. Harry
    October 31, 2014 at 3:06 PM

    I think aliens do exist,its easy say its all fake,but where is the proof.How can you say we are all alone,when there are so many sighting in the past centuries of so many countries.

  70. Steve
    October 31, 2014 at 3:14 PM

    Ahh yes, the tired old spelling/grammar insult. Is that all you can come up with?

  71. steve
    October 31, 2014 at 3:26 PM

    I have no problem believing life exists on other planets. It’s not such a far fetched idea that a civilization may be 100 years or 10, 000, 000 years ahead of us in technology. If so, I think it would be quite easy for them to go undeteced to us should they choose.

  72. Karl
    October 31, 2014 at 3:45 PM

    “With or without this scientist’s video, I am seriously bothered by the fact that some people think that it’s impossible that there are aliens… The universe is vast and large more than we can ever imagine and we think earth is the only planet that has life?”

    Who claims that besides maybe some religious people who don’t think their religion allows for alien life or intelligent alien life. I’m aware of no skeptic or scientist of any note who has ever claimed what you claim. If this belief among skeptics is quite prevalent, especially noted skeptics, it should be easy to find some quotes. Can you provide those quotes, Inday?

  73. Torkel Ødegård
    October 31, 2014 at 3:48 PM

    I have no idea why you’re replying with this argument to me when I never said anything about what you’re arguing.

  74. Per Nordin
    October 31, 2014 at 4:12 PM

    I think Men in Black is far better evidence of alien life on earth. 😉

    On big problem I have with this is the total anthropomorphic fixation. It is just a fluke of circumstances that it was one branch of primates who evolved into higher intelligence. If we rewind the evolutionary tape and play it again, given just a slight change in temperature or other parameters, it could very well have been the Utters or Squirrels who evolved into higher intelligence and the primates still being what all other primates than humans still are.
    So, when you show me a photo or a video of a non-antropomorphic being, then I might raise an eyebrow and say “ok, at least someone is faking it convincingly”.

    As to the video in slightly more detail. He seems a bit senile.
    * Photo of Phenix, at 4:02… no I do not see 5 lights, I see 6 lights. Now if they are UFO or lights or photoshopped, I don’t know. But he got the number wrong.
    * One thing that irks me, is that he stresses how scientific he is, but yet, he continues to use the word “UFO” which means UN-identified flying object, when he claims that they ARE identified as alien star system vehicles, therefore IDENTIFIED.
    * He is VERY inconsistent with if he actually talked with them or if he was fead the info (as he states in his introduction) from others. At some 13:20 or so, he talks about direct communication. And they explain to him in reference to how humans talk and think… how would they know this?
    * He can’t even get right and left correct.
    * “Suited up like this”? That was a bad drawing and looked nothing like guys or suits.
    * The photo of the hand…. where is the arm? The body? OMG, this is soooooo badly done that even Edward D. Wood Jr. would be ashamed!
    * And he speaks about things 5 years back, well after he retired.
    * 39 or 19 people died?
    * Weight… etc… this is just too many senseless various jumping from claim to claim and subject to subject.
    * Photos given to him far after his retirement…
    As the video goes on, it just get more and more gibberish.
    * Why would the aliens WANT to and KNOW to go specifically to Area 51?

    This is just sad, and I feel sorry for his surviving family that his is the legacy of an otherwise obviously intelligent man.

    But he is not the first. John Nash is another very good example. Brilliance and sanity do not always go hand in hand.

  75. Nick
    October 31, 2014 at 4:16 PM

    “Guy Chapman tells Doubtful News that in some common law countries, deathbed confessions (dying declarations) have a specific significance that elevates them above mere hearsay, but this is of course scientifically irrelevant.”

    This is an extremely misleading statement. Hearsay is when you testify about what someone ELSE said; hearsay is not just what you testify without “physical evidence,” which is what is being implied. The reason why deathbed confessions are not classified as hearsay in some jurisdictions is because that person is dead and they cannot testify in a court; therefore, some jurisdictions allow their testimony to be either “read in” to the jury or testified to by the person who the deathbed confession was revealed to.

    The only reason why hearsay is inadmissible is because there is no way to cross examine what someone else said by the opposing party. Many trials–even in America–often hinge on eyewitness testimony, which is also called “primary evidence” (mistakenly called hearsay by many lay persons). However that isn’t to say that “circumstantial evidence,” which is often referred to as physical evidence, doesn’t help decide many cases too. Both are very important for the jurors who decide the facts of the case.

    I know this had very little to do with the veracity of the man’s claims, but the reason why deathbed confessions are often an exception to the hearsay rule isn’t because of their supposed “perceived veracity,” but simply because a dead man cannot testify the court and that may cause an unjust burden on one party. You’re not a crazy ufo believer, and you should be held to a higher standard when it comes to the veracity of what you write.

  76. Cherrytree
    October 31, 2014 at 5:29 PM

    The Mormon or Church of Jesus Christ might share his religious views. The religious views argue heavily for “other worlds” and might influence this death bed confession and strong motive to persuade others to believe in his ideology/religious. Just a thought.

  77. Michelle
    October 31, 2014 at 6:58 PM

    HalloweenFX Toy Company

  78. Marquis
    October 31, 2014 at 7:27 PM

    I find it terribly convenient and conspicuous that modern Alien Mythology continues to hang onto the old aliens-are-humanoids paradigm, as if Hollywood on a budget that can only accommodate people/children in masks/makeup created the Universe.
    Most life on Earth itself doesn’t look humanoid.

    Rationally, with the known Universe consisting of Hundreds of Billions of Galaxies, there’s room and probability enough for Hundreds of Billions of Intelligent, Technological, Space-Faring Cultures, if only just ONE culture exists in each Galaxy.
    That’s great fun to think about, but, Galaxies themselves are pretty vast on their own; even the small ones, and, even in Galactic Clusters, the distances between Galaxies is fairly astounding.
    Thus, sure, the Universe could rationally have even Hundreds of Billions of thriving Star Wars and Star Trek Galaxies, enough to cover most every work of science fiction ever published or imagined, but, the very thing that makes such rationally acceptable as a possibility, is the very thing that makes its quite improbable that any single culture existing at any span of time has much likelihood of bumping into any other.

    Yes, there’s also that thing with Time. We’ve only been around and capable enough to ask intelligent questions about possible Life, just Life, not even Intelligent Life, elsewhere for how long? A few decades?
    And there’s still a disproportionate demographic of our own civilization that still believes in and doggedly cling to Magical Invisible people invented in the Neolithic and Bronze age?

    All in all, given the terrible hostility of space, the depth of Time, as well as the boggling distances involved, I suspect IF any life anywhere ever bumps into/discovers any other, it’ll be the the archaeological sense, or more ruggedly durable machine intelligence.

    Further, as a matter of speculation, in consideration that Red Dwarf stars have lifespans in the Trillions of years compared to the more familiar star that is our own sun that will only be around another 6 Billion years at most, Any long-term domestic Space Faring culture that wants to preserve it’s Legacy data, objects, anything, would advantage from staking realestate around Red Dwarfs.
    It’s a pain in the booty to just move house. Moving an entire civilization and everything it’s accumulated every dozen Billion years or so would probably get really old just the first time around.


  79. Amateur Commenter
    October 31, 2014 at 7:39 PM

    My 2 cents are the following:
    This man believed the photos to be genuine, fitting his frame of thought and experience. However, he would not be the first very clever man to be a very gullible victim of a practical joke.

  80. Chris Howard
    October 31, 2014 at 7:52 PM

    Wow! You got popular real quick!


    I really am starting to believe that UFOlogy is a component of a New Religious Movement, perhaps having components of conspirituality, but being akin to demonology in Abrahamic faiths mysticism(s).

    I think Spooky has some stuff on this?

  81. idoubtit
    October 31, 2014 at 8:32 PM

    You have not seen all the insanity and profanity in the comments I have trashed. I’m flabbergasted.

  82. SAnthony
    October 31, 2014 at 8:45 PM

    Can anyone just produce one of these figurines made by Holloween FX and purchased before August 2014?

    I haven’t seen any exact replicas of this figurine from FX… That should be easy to post!

    I’m not suggesting this is a true story.. but if I were to see one of these exact dolls from last summer.. then it would be a no brainer that the alien picture is a fake….

  83. idoubtit
    October 31, 2014 at 9:00 PM

    Let me clarify: To add “pretty” to that sentence adds NO value but is degrading and belittling. My sex or what I look like has NOTHING to do with my desire for an evidence-based response. It implies that you judge me on my looks. That is cheap and insulting behavior, as is inviting me to your hometown to see in person.

    Interesting how several first time commenters have nothing more intelligent to remark upon than to add much worse sexist vulgarities (not posted, obviously). You show your insecurities and resentment of outspoken women, methinks. I suggest you act more appropriately to get anywhere in life.

    That’s all I have to say about that.

  84. Derek Taylor
    October 31, 2014 at 10:40 PM

    Unfortunately, the video reminded me of a first-graders presentation of a “show-and-tell” for his class at school. Even factoring in Mr. Bushman’s age and possible diminished mental capacity, it was difficult to watch and comprehend. A story of this magnitude should take a considerable factual effort to convey its reality to the public consciousness. Quintonia, to me, is a name only an English speaking human would come up with. Would it be possible for a Chinese or German speaking person to come up with such a name? Would Aliens have named there planet after a 1950’s science fiction movie?

  85. Clarence
    October 31, 2014 at 10:58 PM

    Um, have you ever read the history of rocketry? It was pioneered by the Chinese who invented gunpowder-powered rockets to use as flares and weapons in battle, then Robert Goddard (Right here in the good ole USA) developed non-exploding rockets that could achieve tremendous launch altitudes in the 1920’s. See
    Goddard also developed the first liquid fueled rockets and stabilization and guidance systems for rockets.
    Goddard’s work was considered less than useful in the US but the German Nazi scientists took his ideas and developed the rocket science that the US hastily imported back to White Sands Missile Range in the closing days of and after WWII.
    Both the USSR and the USA begged and bribed the available German rocket engineers and scientists to their respective countries after WWII and leap-frogged the onslaught of the Space Age.

  86. Glenna
    October 31, 2014 at 11:36 PM

    Yes, I believe there is alien life – and I believe there is intelligent alien life. Given that we have no comprehension of the size of the universe, it is highly egotistical of humans to think they are the only intelligent beings. And I do *not* believe that they would visit us, either in spaceships or any other way – any intelligent being would steer clear of this sad human animal who is hell-bent on destroying the home on which it lives as well as the other humans who live on it. The fact that they *don’t* visit is a proof of sorts that they *are* intelligent, no?

  87. rain
    November 1, 2014 at 12:00 AM

    Do you mean it’s statistically impossible for the inhabitants of earth to believe they’re alone, or that it’s statistically impossible for us to be alone?

    If you mean the latter: No, it’s possible for us to be alone in the universe. What *is* possible is life coming into fruition if the conditions are right. Our planet has proven that. However, that doesn’t mean that it’s absolutely happened elsewhere as well, just that the chance exists. There’s always the minuscule chance that the earth really is the only place that’s come to support life.

    In spirit I agree with you though, that earth being the only planet to support life is unlikely.

  88. Josh Frank
    November 1, 2014 at 12:03 AM

    One quick point- I agree, five fingers and toes is highly unlikely, but not two eyes. My guess is there will be some optimum body plans, and nature often favors symmetry. Eyes, ears, nose, mouth around the brain.

  89. rain
    November 1, 2014 at 12:09 AM

    It’s not statistically impossible. It’s just incredibly unlikely. There’s the minuscule chance that the earth really is the only place that’s met the conditions to support life so far.

    You have to also think of the universe’s history – at one point, there wasn’t any life anywhere. Life didn’t exist at all. You can’t say “statistically impossible” during those eras. You’re only saying that now because life happened on this planet. The *possibility* now exists, yes, but that doesn’t guarantee anything.

    We might also be the first place to support life in the universe, before the rest of it.

  90. AnimaMessor
    November 1, 2014 at 12:51 AM

    When it’s hard to find fault in someone else’s logic, there’s always that one internet troll lacking the intelligence and maturity to contribute an educated rebuttal. Instead, you interject personal jabs intended to insult those who you don’t agree with. By the laws of proper debate and progressive conversation, you’ve lost and made a fool of yourself, Bernard.

  91. hogarth
    November 1, 2014 at 1:03 AM

    Your post has the ring of truth. I love the description of him as Tesla on acid.

  92. T.L. Adams
    November 1, 2014 at 1:09 AM

    I thought you were being overly hard over the phrase “pretty”. Speaking as a son of one of the few matrilineal and most balanced culture on the planet, I often throw out “minor compliments” during a discussion. Now, they may be more of nature of “My skilled opponent” or “I compliment you on detailed analysis of the issue”. It is a technique of oil to water, to reduce the tone of the debate to ensure that it is a seeking of the facts and not merely words to raise anger. Now, with that said, I admit that I myself am learning that the occasional compliment does cause injury, that to compliment a capable soul on mere appearance may be demeaning, or even that a speaker might be attempting to degrade your wise words by reducing the complex and cherished spirit that is you to mere appearance. That might have been his intent, but I think his otherwise carefully chosen words take me to towards the direction that it was only a fallible speaker with a poorly choiced word, no basis to raise your anger.

    To the subject at hand though, the “aliens” I see in the pictures appear to have an almost complete bilateral symmetry. Something always missing from terrestrial life, but fairly common in animation and toy production. I’m also highly skeptical that any alien could walk among us. We carry a myriad number of bacterial, fungi and other organisms upon our body, sloughed into the environment. I find it hard to imagine that the aliens would not have a similar set of passengers symbiotic and parasitical. Encounters with aliens would almost certainly bring extraterrestrial bacteria etc into out biosphere, yet by all studies our bacteria show a common ancestor and biogenetic basis. Find me a non-DNA lifeform and I might suspect aliens.

  93. hogarth
    November 1, 2014 at 1:10 AM

    For me there is a problem with calling this a “deathbed confession”, since, while the man is clearly enfeebled, he doesn’t appear at death’s door. It just came across as an old guy rambling to me.
    Unfortunately, the video has been scrubbed due to a copyright claim from a YouTuber named Chris Mooney.

  94. alien visitor
    November 1, 2014 at 7:32 AM

    …wait, wait… grandpa? dude are you really Bushmans grandson!? cuz if yes this could be a huge turnover in this coversation, i would really like to hear what u have got to say!

  95. crumbles
    November 1, 2014 at 8:15 AM

    I think that perhaps Mr. Bushman was taken advantage of in his old age. If he did ask someone to take pictures for him then perhaps his “contacts” either purposely deceived him in order to tarnish anything he has said in the past, or simply wanted to satisfy his requests (however unreasonable) to make him happy.

    In comparing this video with interviews that he has done in the past it seems that Mr. Bushman is in ill health. I don’t see any reason why someone who was in good health would make the statements that Mr. Bushman did in his last interview before he died.

  96. Wednesday
    November 1, 2014 at 9:16 AM

    I think he believed what he was saying, whether it was true or not.

    What I don’t understand is if aliens are working with the government, and their craft has the ability to travel 68 light years in 45 minutes, then why are we still back-engineering alien craft after…what…50 years? 60?

    Whose technology are we allegedly back-engineering? If the aliens are helping us, why don’t they just share their technology so we too can fold space and eliminate time? If they’re not there to advise us on Things Technical…then what they heck are they doing working for the government.

  97. Andy
    November 1, 2014 at 10:22 AM

    Hey guys, what are your views about the experiment shown in the video that he apparently did using pieces of the UFO material that reduced the weight of the object suspended above the materials? Do you think he was lying about it? Also, the photos of the Aliens shown were apparently a print from the 1990’s when he was in contact with his so-called fellow workers at Area-51. It looks like the K-mart/Wal-Mart/Halloween Fx store…do we know when did these companies first manufactured the toys? Did these companies make these toys just recently or where they around back in the 90’s as well??

  98. idoubtit
    November 1, 2014 at 10:59 AM

    Thank you for your comment but I don’t appreciate being told how to feel about it. Unless you live in my world and have had my experience, please do not judge.

  99. Torkel Ødegård
    November 1, 2014 at 11:05 AM

    Her looks have nothing to do with this article or indeed her work on this website, therefore it really shouldn’t be necessary to mention it.

    For instance, I never get called pretty by commenters… where are MY damn compliments?! “The pretty co-editor here [….]” Never, not once.

  100. Andy
    November 1, 2014 at 11:06 AM

    Hey guys, what are your views about the experiment shown in the video that he apparently did using pieces of the UFO material that reduced the weight of the object suspended above the materials? Do you think he was lying about it? And what about the 240 some volts that he was able to get from the piece of the material? Should we just focus on the fake pictures of the aliens and forget the anti-gravity/free energy aspect of his talk in this video?? Are those fake as well?? Also, the photos of the Aliens shown were apparently a print from the 1990’s when he was in contact with his so-called fellow workers at Area-51. It looks like the K-mart/Wal-Mart/Halloween Fx store…do we know when did these companies first manufactured the toys? Did these companies make these toys just recently or where they around back in the 90’s as well??

  101. spookyparadigm
    November 1, 2014 at 11:16 AM

    As amused as I am that someone thinks cheap latex Halloween props could be part of the conspiracy, I will note that yes, they were sold in the 1990s when 20th Century Fox was making huge bank on aliens from the Alien Autopsy show, X-Files, ID4, the Arrival, etc. (I wonder if Rupert Murdoch had a particular thing about aliens. When he bought the WSJ, one of their first stories was an odd political piece that included UFOs). I purchased one of these for the Halloween party I helped throw in 2000, and they had been in stores for several years before.

  102. spookyparadigm
    November 1, 2014 at 11:18 AM

    Other than to note how similar this one is to the Haut and Corso cases, I’m not going to engage with this one.

    Some stories attract angry and stupid, and this is one of them. Another is chemtrails.

    Yes, I could probably discuss how this probably ties into a number of religious and political variables. But honestly, this story is a black hole of a lost cause.

  103. spookyparadigm
    November 1, 2014 at 11:23 AM

    “I think that perhaps Mr. Bushman was taken advantage of in his old age.”

    As I said, looking at some of the other famous Roswell-linked “deathbed” cases might be worthwhile.

  104. PoliPsy
    November 1, 2014 at 11:24 AM

    Boyd Bushman’s “disclosure” is of not much use except to discredit authentic UFO disclosure and research. Boyd Bushman most likely didn’t believe his story. He was most likely going to his grave as a ‘good soldier’ by reinforcing the psyop that people who believe in the reality of UFOs are crazy.

  105. Andy
    November 1, 2014 at 11:24 AM

    Thanks for the clarification spookyparadigm. What about this guys so-called experiments with weightlessness and free energy from the so-called UFO materials? What do you think about it?

  106. PoliPsy
    November 1, 2014 at 11:37 AM

    In the video, its clear that Bushman is failing in health and mental acuity. Perhaps even he is showing signs of a psyop campaign to use him at the end of his career to further muddy the waters surrounding UFO reality. Regardless, as age progresses and health diminishes the brain degrades. At this point, people can become much more susceptible to manipulation. Whether or not Mr. Bushman has been mentally manipulated, it is clear from the interview that in his current state he is at the end of his intellectual and mental intensive career.

  107. spookyparadigm
    November 1, 2014 at 11:42 AM

    I think that there are numerous people in this thread, and in numerous posts on this site, who have spent more time tackling the huge number of claims of free energy over the decades than I have. If someone claims they have the plans to build free energy machines, and rather than a free energy machine (which seems like a pretty easy thing to test: hey look, this device or devices built to its plans power themselves, or they don’t), their proof is a polaroid of a Halloween prop of a pop-culture inspired alien, there isn’t much else to say.

    I’ve got better things to do than to be the sounding board for every single gripe against The System or The Man, which is what most free energy claims boil down to.

  108. idoubtit
    November 1, 2014 at 11:46 AM

    An EXCELLENT point. 😉

  109. PoliPsy
    November 1, 2014 at 12:07 PM


    You’re looking for the best evidence of UFO reality. It’s out there, but the best evidence is an actual personal sighting at close range. Hopefully you will be lucky enough to witness this yourself. Not everyone is so lucky.

    Hopefully, you are a real scientist — not a political scientist or a faith-based scientist. A real scientist will be skeptical but open minded. A real scientist will not be dogmatic and restricted in thought to only what has been taught and what is ‘expected’ by the status quo of conventional wisdom — the standard models of the day. The real scientists are the rebels that rock the boat and upset the apple cart. Copernicus, Galileo, Newton ….

    Mr. Bushman seems deluded and nearly incoherent to me in this interview. This is not to disrespect Mr. Bushman and his accomplishments, but it’s clear the man was sold a boat load of rotten second hand goods by his ‘source.’

    You invoked the name of SJ Gould in one of your replies. Stephen Gould and Niles Eldredge did more than any other evolutionists to shout out that the emperor has no clothes regarding the failure of the fossil record to prove Darwinian evolution. Punctuated Equilibria was borne out of a need to try to explain why the fossil record does not record proof of Darwinian evolution.

    Rather than parrot the mainstream status quo dogma that evolution is a fact, a real scientist would say something like,

    “How life arose from non-life and differentiated into the kingdoms and phylums is still being studied. Two major scientific theories exist:
    1) random and non-directed evolution,
    2) intelligent design.

    “Within the evolution camp there are many different theories and claims competing with each other. Within the Intelligent Design camp, the theories are being formed and science experiments are underway to show prediction. So science is still looking for the answers as Gould and Eldridge made so clear in their published works.

    “The attempt by the macro-evolutionist camp to depict the intelligent design camp as religious instead of scientific has no merit. Intelligent design does not invoke any religious text. Instead it is as deep into all the physical and biological sciences as the evolutionist camp. Accusations to the contrary have no merit and are emotional or faith-based instead of scientific.”

  110. Adam
    November 1, 2014 at 12:09 PM

    Updated link

  111. PoliPsy
    November 1, 2014 at 12:10 PM

    Is the atom a perpetual motion machine?

    If not absorbed, will a photon travel at the speed of light forever or eventually slow to a stop?

  112. PoliPsy
    November 1, 2014 at 12:16 PM

    Maybe pretty and smart would be more appropriate. Beauty in nature is to be appreciated, but common courtesy should prevent us from making compliments that could be construed as even a mild form of harassment. The subject of the article is Mr. Bushman’s “disclosure” — not the co-editor’s physical appearance even if the avatar is actually a picture of the co-editor.

  113. Captain Temmo
    November 1, 2014 at 12:22 PM

    Im not here to argue whether or not aliens are real.

    However this wikipedia link you included holds no weight and we actually cannot tell if the reputation of this successful scientist, inventor, and engineer is true or not. Other then being a wikipedia page (wiki isn’t a credible source) the page actually says and starts with “Boyd Bushman is the name attributed to the man who claimed” then goes on to talk about Mr. Bushman. It also seems like it was made recently and has no information on Mr. Bushman that I can’t find in a single article or news story covering this recent event of him on his deathbed.

    The 2nd link in this analysis brought to a page of tons of oics none of which had anything to do with aliens.

    Also there “props” or “fake aliens” are actually not original and look like your stereotypical alien.

    I’m not sure if this analysis was meant to be sarcastic but it seemed more sarcastic then realistic. To me the man in the video is doing eithir two things. 1.) Creating a legacy for “Boyd Bushman” (through my own very minimal research I havn’t found a credible source saying this man is real.) or 2.) He is trying to give alien theorists evidence he fabricated.

  114. PoliPsy
    November 1, 2014 at 12:30 PM

    You’re doing great at English, Torkel. Keep it up.

  115. PoliPsy
    November 1, 2014 at 12:34 PM

    Very good point, Tom. Adjectives and characterizations are poor substitutes for arguments based upon data points that can be tested for validity.

  116. WisdomIsNotTruth
    November 1, 2014 at 12:39 PM

    This is a minor point but nevertheless I thought it strange how in the video he claimed that the aliens only have three ribs compared to our six.

    Humans actually have twelve pairs of ribs. He can hardly be considered an authority on alien anatomy if he doesn’t know basic human anatomy!

  117. Lagaya1
    November 1, 2014 at 12:44 PM

    What skeptic said a deathbed confession would be evidence of anything? I’ve never heard this argument ever.

  118. PoliPsy
    November 1, 2014 at 12:51 PM

    It’s clear, idoubtit, that you have not looked into the distant history of this subject — painting, writings, engravings, objects or art and ceremony. These phenomena and beings associated with them have been observed and recorded in the technology of the age for millennia. If you had been familiar with this historical body of knowledge, you would not be so sure concerning your last declarative statement. You would be in doubt needing more evidence before coming to a final conclusion.

  119. PoliPsy
    November 1, 2014 at 1:01 PM

    “To me, ufology is like a religion.”

    Until you see one for yourself, close enough to throw a rock and hit it. Then your worldview will change instantly.

    Everything today seems like a religion including ‘science’ that has become so politicized and faith-based that it is no longer the honored profession it once was. Every ‘scientist’ is now on his/her own to prove they are objective, fact based, open minded investigators of reality which includes the seen and unseen.

    Rise above the world and you’ll see people forming groups, becoming dogmatic and closed in the information they are willing to consider and repeat; discarding information that does not fit their dogmatism. Such a world is not after truth but acceptance. Truth will set you free and most likely cost you your job and will cause fractures in relationships with family and friends.

  120. PoliPsy
    November 1, 2014 at 1:08 PM

    Excellent points, Rain. That’s simply logic and an honest approach to the subject.

  121. fixitup
    November 1, 2014 at 1:27 PM

    I am 63 a father of 4 grown children with 4 grandkids. I am now retired from a job with a large electric utility. In 1977 a coworker and I had a very definitive sighting in broad daylight which began at ground level less than a quarter mile from us. We both watched as this object rose to a height of approximately 200 feet and shot off instantly toward the west at a slight upward angle. I was not a believer before this incident. It crosses my mind practically every day.
    “They” are here and I believe they have been here for perhaps centuries or millennia. If anyone with an open mind does even a modicum of research written by some of the best researchers, you may have a different outlook. Science, as it stands today, refuses to engage themselves.

  122. Colonel Tom
    November 1, 2014 at 1:46 PM

    Touche’ !!, in 40 some years of reading of “PMM” scams, it had never dawned on me that the title is misleading. The laws of thermodynamics clearly state a closed system subject to no external forces would always have the same energy as the initial state. A spinning planet subject to no external forces would always be spinning, a photon that is not absorbed would continue until the photon decays, but always traveling at local light speed.

    Instead of saying PMM, what people should say is an Infinite energy machine, one that produces useable work in excess of its initial internal energy. Or we could call it a Thermodynamics violation machine or even a Per. Energy producer machine.

    Thanks, you made me smile.

  123. capt kirk
    November 1, 2014 at 2:09 PM

    anyone who relies on snopes for verification of their opinions has to be questioned.

  124. Torkel Ødegård
    November 1, 2014 at 2:20 PM

    Why do you say that? They have a long track record of investigating claims and finding the truth. They are probably one of the most reliable websites out there when it comes to myths, legends, hoaxes and questionable claims.

  125. Rich
    November 1, 2014 at 2:27 PM

    “The best evidence is an actual personal sighting at close range.”

    Respectfully, no it’s not. Actual personal sightings at close range have given us the mothman, ghosts and Andy Kaufman alive and well and shopping in New Mexico. Human beings are often terrible observers. A second-hand anecdote is a pointer at best but the worst kind of evidence. As a legal mind said on this site once, an eye witness in the box is gold, two eye witnesses can be a disaster.

    “The real scientists are the rebels that rock the boat.”

    Again, no. The idea that most scientists are drones plodding along, toeing the party line, peddling conventional wisdom, is just nonsense. And if there are scientists like that, then the whole process of science is bigger than individuals – however, I doubt there’s a scientist out there that wouldn’t like to find something that blows the accepted view of things wide open: exciting things would happen. They’d get a comet/particle/wormhole named after them. They’d get funding. “Real” scientists are working patiently day by day matching accepted ideas to the evidence, experimenting, and changing ideas incrementally. A “rock the boat” rebel with a wacky idea is a romantic character but just as liable to be wrong as anyone else. Science is, for the most part, a highly collective effort.

    “…the failure of the fossil record to prove Darwinian evolution.”

    There are many examples in the fossil record of emerging species; the transition of dinosaurs to birds, the evolution of lobe-finned fish, not to mention you and me: J.A. Hopson (Professor Emeritus of Organismal Biology at the University of Chicago) wrote in 1994, “Of all the great transitions between major structural grades within vertebrates, the transition from basal amniotes [egg-laying tetrapods except amphibians] to basal mammals is represented by the most complete and continuous fossil record…. Structural evolution of particular functional systems has been well investigated, notably the feeding mechanism… and middle ear, and these studies have demonstrated the gradual nature of these major adaptive modifications.”

    Evolution is not “random.” Genetic mutation is random, natural selection based on the results of that mutation is not; the resulting forms that are advantageous to survival or reproduction will become more common in the species because they are successful. That’s not random.

    Finally, I’m baffled as to how you can claim that intelligent design is not religious – or that to criticise it as such is “emotional or faith-based.” Am I reading you correctly on this, because you seem to be saying that criticising intelligent design for being faith-based is itself a faith-based criticism?

    Not that any of that is much to do with aliens, but still…

  126. GreasyMidget
    November 1, 2014 at 2:36 PM

    Boyd Bushman patent

  127. PoliPsy
    November 1, 2014 at 2:41 PM

    I’m glad you appreciate the implications. Let me pour you another cup of tea, Colonel Tom. Ponder this with me. The book, “What is the Electron” (edited by Volodimir Simulik, Institute of Electron Physics of the Ukrainian National Academy of Sciences) makes it clear that 21st century science still does not know what the electron is. It might be assumed by some that its perpetual motion is due to the electromagnetic interplay between the electron orbital and the nucleus.

    But what about the photon? It revolves around nothing obvious? What propels it? Is the propulsion ballistic? Doubtful. Is the propulsion mechanism on-board? That’s a mind bender. Is the propulsion an interplay between the photon and external forces or the external structure of space?

    In an era where ‘science’ knows it all, we don’t seem to know much about the fundamental properties of the basic units of which we are made and in which we are bathed.

  128. idoubtit
    November 1, 2014 at 2:41 PM

    Evidence please? They at least cite their sources.

  129. Atari
    November 1, 2014 at 2:51 PM

    I’m surprised by all the posters here, so eager to “keep an open mind” about such fantasies, in the hopes they are true, they are equating the absurdity of quantum physics (and absurd is a very loosely applied term in this instance), with the *obvious* absurdity of a man pointing to pictures of established toy aliens and obvious CGI’s of flying saucers. And yet, you still wish to give huge weight to this man’s claims based entirely on his credentials, and the extraordinary vagueness of exotic topics. By this criteria, we must give great weight to alchemy, because it was championed by Newton, and we must keep an open mind regarding Pauling’s now-thoroughly disproven claims regarding vitamin C.

  130. Atari
    November 1, 2014 at 2:56 PM

    Saddest to me is that this thing is viral, and all but the devoted skepticism sites are presenting his claims without any basic research into them, all presenting his claims unexamined, or covering their bases with the “What do you think?” angle.

  131. PoliPsy
    November 1, 2014 at 3:03 PM

    Hi, Rich,

    Thank you for the courteous disagreement. That is much appreciated.

    Your reply is typical of the arguments I’ve encountered on each of these topics over the years. I’m sure it isn’t your first time debating them as well. But so as to not derail the topic of idoubtit’s article, I’ll just say for today, ‘We agree to disagree.” Maybe we can have a discussion on each of these matters in other articles pertaining to each of the subjects. Until then, keep an open mind, and have an interesting journey.

  132. Artimus Vark
    November 1, 2014 at 3:06 PM

    Intelligent Design is not a scientific theory let alone a major one. The idea that science can prove the intent and actions of one specific god over the actions of thousands of other gods presently out of favor is silly.

  133. idoubtit
    November 1, 2014 at 3:11 PM

    Guys… probably a bit too off topic here.

  134. PoliPsy
    November 1, 2014 at 3:25 PM

    Thanks for that, fixitup. Once you’ve seen one your experience of realty expands beyond those who have not witnessed it. At this point, the skeptical opinion of others does not change your reality. My experience changed my life at is did yours. It has shaped the way I view reality, media, mass population conditioning; official proclamations from government and science. The reality of the subject is no longer a debate. The focus shifts from is it real or not to what is it; how long has it been here; where did it come from; why is it being denied by governments and mass media … among other questions.

    “I have frequently been asked why a person of my background-a former Chief of the Defense Staff, a former Chairman of the NATO Military Committee – why I think there is a cover-up [of] the facts about UFOs. I believe governments fear that if they did disclose those facts, people would panic. I don’t believe that at all. There is a serious possibility that we are being visited by people from outer space. It behooves us to find out who they are, where they come from, and what they want.”
    — Admiral Lord Hill-Norton, Former Chief of Defense, British Royal Navy, Video and Disclosure, pp. 305 – 307

  135. PoliPsy
    November 1, 2014 at 3:33 PM

    Intelligent Design does not make the claims a god or gods. You might be thinking about Creationism. But lets not get off the subject. I was replying to idoubtit alluding to SJ Gould and the implications of that regarding this article.

  136. Colonel Tom
    November 1, 2014 at 4:55 PM

    Ok, back to on topic. I find one piece of non-evidence particularly damaging when it comes to alien visitation. Bacteria. We think of ourselves as human beings, but you and me are just big housing units for a myriad of bacteria, fungi, nematodes, round and flat worms. We leave bits of our biota in our slough. It is hard to imagine that aliens that visit Earth would not leave a similar slough and biopollution. Their bacteria counter-parts would be in out environment, most likely not DNA based, likely based on different isomers than terrestrial based life. To our best available science, we’ve never found anything like that on Earth. Everything here points to a common origin.

    Now, I drift into the questions about why the aliens have not visited, given the size and age of the Universe it almost seems certain that somewhere life and evolution would have produced sentient life.

  137. Lagaya1
    November 1, 2014 at 5:29 PM

    To elaborate a bit, your link is to a comment by an anonymous person calling himself “psychic spy”. This is a skeptic?

  138. spookyparadigm
    November 1, 2014 at 5:41 PM

    Swim in the waters of ufo and conspiracy believers and you will indeed find people who believe those or similar ideas as part of the community, perhaps somewhat scoffed at but ultimately shown less hostility than the evil mainstream.

  139. Colonel Tom
    November 1, 2014 at 8:21 PM

    Apologies, if my words indicated I was trying to tell you how to feel, than I have done a very poor job with my words. I merely, as is my nature and my training, offered perspective that the intent of words do not always match the response they raise in their target. You are your own person, it is neither my place nor anyone’s place to tell another how they should feel, how words make you feel. Your feeling are your own. I commented only on your response.

    Nor do I preclude the possibility that those in EuroAmerican society used a “compliments” to demean, to belittle, to demean the breath and glory of one’s existence down to being “just a pretty thing”. I have eyes, I have seen that done many times. I do not preclude that was the intent of the original remarks, but with respect I asked you to consider my vantage point that it might have just been otherwise in this case.

    Still, this very issue has been on my mind after seeing a segment that, ?Jessica Williams? did on “The Daily Show”. I have given compliments to friends very freely in my life, hopefully always in a manner appreciated as a kindness. Still, doubt was in my mind when I recently complimented the excellent nail lacquer on the hands that did my admitting paperwork at the hospital.

  140. Reneddie
    November 1, 2014 at 9:03 PM

    Hmmm, I think believing in Aliens has become like anything else……an opinion based on personal experiences and beliefs. To try to wrap it up neatly with an “evidence” tag has not been successful for anyone……I think Boyd fully believes he is telling the truth because he seems to speak from the heart and his words do not seem scripted. He keeps mentioning that “someone else” took the photos with his camera and has been feeding him information about this subject since the early 2000’s. Either someone is pulling a bad hoax in very poor taste on this elderly man, or they knew he was going to come out with information and purposefully discredited him with bad information and fake photos. Either way non of us will ever know the truth. One thing I am sure of……someday we will know there is other life on other planets and because the planets are not exactly like ours there is a good chance the aliens we run across will not be like us either… for thought!

  141. toli
    November 1, 2014 at 9:08 PM

    It is not necessarily the only planet supporting life. But if life is rare enough in the universe then expected distance between two life points both in space and in time makes it not likely for one point to know about another point existence.

  142. madaload
    November 1, 2014 at 10:02 PM

    I just want to say I am glad to have found this blog. For a moment there I was worried that the world is full of idiots and I’m the last sane person who’ll suffer for what will seem an eternity in their company until I die.

    I agree with the author completely and disagree on every point the contributor Tom made when challenging the authors reasoning to Slackers comment.

    The evidence presented in the hoax is flawed on so many levels it really doesn’t matter which flaws you pick to refute it. Not to mention the identity of the guy and his alleged credentials. I couldn’t bear to watch that thing past 10 minutes. It is all just a bunch of nonsense from the onset and it doesn’t deserve any further thought.

    What worries me most about these things is their virality even in mainstream media and the reactions of people such as Slacker and Tom (beginning October 29, 2014 at 7:02 PM) who legitimize such nonsense by discussing it as if it “[had] some weight to it” and put in doubt all critical reasoning and logic by means of associating fabrications and conjecture with facts. It really isn’t worth rebutting, but it is a worrying global trend. A global dumbing down is far more dangerous to civilization than global warming and terrorism combined.

  143. idoubtit
    November 1, 2014 at 10:48 PM

    Thanks Colonel! Actually, it’s quite a nuanced topic and I always get shit for talking about it so I often do not. But as was stated, it had no place in the comments at all and was bad form to use. Maybe some men will think twice about their use of language towards women. It’s really not that hard to be a bit more careful. We don’t say the “Jewish editor” or the “black editor”, etc. How would men like it if I referred to them as the “short” guy or the “bald” guy. Those qualities have nothing to do with the argument and should be left out. I’m no femi-nazi and have been called a “gender traitor” by the extremists in the atheist-skeptic community for not supporting those who whine a lot instead of trying to fix things. My goal is to do a good job and serve a purpose with my work. What I look like has ZERO to do with it. And people who know me well are free to compliment me anytime. In context.

  144. Torkel Ødegård
    November 1, 2014 at 11:47 PM

    Your invitation for idoubtit to visit you came off as just plain creepy in my opinion. As was most of what you wrote in that comment (which we for obvious reasons did not bother to publish).

  145. Branden Hill
    November 2, 2014 at 1:29 AM

    I am not sure what the qualifications of Boyd Bushman has to do with the veracity of his claims. Whatever the motivation was behind the video, facts have come out which have successfully disputed the items which were put forth as proof. As in a court of law, I think if you can dispute one portion of the testamony as false, the remainder of the claim should also be thrown out.

    The bigger question about the existence of intelligent alien life visiting Earth is actually pretty simple to me. It doesn’t exist. Videos, pictures, wild, unsubstantiated tales is all we have to show after over 70 years of popularity on the subject. Show me an alien and a ship and I am totally onboard. Until then, it is as real as the tooth fairy.

    For the person with the “pretty” comments for the moderator. Trying to pass that off as anything but sexist is feeble. To try to claim it as a style of debate is laughable.

    Let’s just stick to the subject at hand.

  146. Sprocketman
    November 2, 2014 at 7:53 AM

    “Stating possibilities” is a problem in the pseudo-science community. It becomes a major problem when you focus on the infinitesimal possibilities, instead of more realistic expectations. What I’m saying is that this is usually the first thing out anyone who appears on the show Ancient Aliens. That should never be taken as a compliment.

  147. idoubtit
    November 2, 2014 at 8:20 AM

    Endless “what ifs” and “you never know” and “it’s not impossible” get you bogged down in speculation that never goes anywhere. It seems difficult for some people to face the day and say there is no good evidence for this, I’ll not waste my time anymore. That’s the difference between a researcher that does something useful and pseudoscientists who keep going around in circles on the same ground.

  148. JEM
    November 2, 2014 at 8:21 AM

    Let’s evaluate what elkrocke says rather than make ad hominem attacks. I had no trouble understanding the points he was making, despite the three grammatical errors you mentioned.

  149. JEM
    November 2, 2014 at 8:34 AM

    The only reason this is being discussed is the man’s credentials. It makes him more difficult to summarily dismiss. Although his credentials get him a hearing, it is up to the individual to evaluate the evidence. Interestingly enough, if he’d merely told his story with no physical “evidence”, it would be much more compelling. We have (rightfully) become suspicious of images and video that are so easily faked. My biggest question about this incident is why he chose to make these statements near the end of his life? Does he really believe they are true? Is any of what he says true? Do the rubber aliens discredit all he says? Is he trying to hoax, or has someone hoaxed him?

  150. JEM
    November 2, 2014 at 9:06 AM

    I’m also interested in info from someone who knew him. Is this the first time you’ve heard this information? Had he ever talked about it before? On the one hand, it’s hard to imagine that a scientist of this caliber would simply make all this up. He would doubtless be aware that what he said would be closely and critically examined. On the other hand, there is some pretty compelling evidence that at least part of what he said and the evidence he gives to support his claims are hard to square with facts. Is there an explanation for the fact that the pictures he displays look like a rubber alien doll? I’m not totally discounting the statements he made, but you have to admit some of the circumstances make them easy to doubt. Maybe you know something more than what we see in the video?

  151. JEM
    November 2, 2014 at 9:17 AM

    I have to disagree with your statement “The idea that most scientists are drones plodding along, toeing the party line, peddling conventional wisdom, is just nonsense. ” I would offer up Thomas Kuhn’s “The Structure of Scientific Revolutions” (1962) as a counter-argument. Many scientists do “plod along” until paradigm shifts change the basic beliefs in their field. Scientists are people, and people are never totally objective.

  152. JEM
    November 2, 2014 at 9:28 AM

    Courts of law also recognize expert witnesses, and give them wide latitude. It is up to the jury to decide which expert to believe. Bushman’s resume would certainly qualify him as an expert witness. That doesn’t mean you have to believe him, it just means he has qualifications which would give him some level of credibility in the field. The fact that he has such qualifications is why this whole topic is getting so much discussion. There are three possibilities concerning his statements: 1. They are totally true, 2. They are partly true and partly false, or 3. They are totally false. However, I tend to take his statements more seriously because of his achievements and resume. I have reached a point where I believe very little at first glance, but I like to at least give things a glance.

  153. Ha
    November 2, 2014 at 11:01 AM

    I totally agree! It is not only statistically impossible, it is a fact that at least one inhabitant of this planet believes he or she is not alone in the cosmos. This is proven by reading any discussion thread on the subject.

    We’ll spotted and noted!


  154. Colonel Tom
    November 2, 2014 at 11:21 AM

    Well, I am so happy I found this place, even if I am at the other extreme from being an atheist. I had started to launch into my epiphany describing when I discovered that one of my favorite professors was a great guy and resource, until I discovered years later when my beloved one (aka wife) had him in a class that I realized he was a rabid sexist, but that would be so far off topic even I recognize that it is drifting.

    P.S. I made my comments about the Ark Park before I discovered you were a geologist. I was not “sucking up” but I am a bit of a rock hound and those silicate colonial corals that decorate my yard are much older than 6000 years.

  155. Headless Unicorn Guy
    November 2, 2014 at 6:30 PM

    Endless “what ifs” and “you never know” and “it’s not impossible” get you bogged down in speculation that never goes anywhere.

    That was how the elaborate Medieval systems of Angelology and Demonology came about. From minimal sources (a couple mentions in the Bible), each generation speculated from there, only to have the next generation take their speculation as fact and use it as a foundation for further speculation. Do this over dozens of generations and you end up with an incredibly elaborate system of generations of speculation taken as fact.

  156. Headless Unicorn Guy
    November 2, 2014 at 6:37 PM

    any intelligent being would steer clear of this sad human animal who is hell-bent on destroying the home on which it lives as well as the other humans who live on it.

    I assume you are human.
    Do you want some lye to gargle for Mortification and Atonement as well as your hair shirt and spiked whip?

  157. Headless Unicorn Guy
    November 2, 2014 at 6:40 PM

    In 1977 a coworker and I had a very definitive sighting in broad daylight which began at ground level less than a quarter mile from us. We both watched as this object rose to a height of approximately 200 feet and shot off instantly toward the west at a slight upward angle.

    You had a “Weird Shit Experience”. Of something Unknown that could be Wondrous. I think everybody has one of those at some point — I know I have. Yet you write of it almost as a religious conversion experience.

  158. Headless Unicorn Guy
    November 2, 2014 at 6:43 PM

    “To me, ufology is like a religion.”

    Until you see one for yourself, close enough to throw a rock and hit it. Then your worldview will change instantly.

    Which still sounds analogous to a religious conversion experience. Being Born Again(TM), a complete paradigm shift with overtones of those Christian tracts that claim their faith is really FACT, FACT, FACT.

  159. Headless Unicorn Guy
    November 2, 2014 at 6:52 PM

    To me, ufology is like a religion.

    And in its early days, UFOlogy actually DID spawn several offbeat new religions — the Adamskyites, the Van Tasselites, the “Unarian Academy of Scientific Research” (AKA “Spaceship Ruthie’s Cult”, one of the last surviving classic Space Brothers cults). And later the likes of the Raelians and the Bo-Peepers/Heaven’s Gate. All centered around “Contactees”, cult founders who claimed contact (physical or mental/spiritual) from angelic aliens who had chosen the Contactee to bear their message to Earth. In the fifties when “Saucer Cults” first started, the Space Brothers’ message was to Save Us from Inevitable Nuclear War.

    And the Contactees were always in a feud with the Respectable Nuts-and-Bolts UFOlogists such as NICAP, who concentrated only on the alien hardware, pushed a Conspiracy Theory of Air Force Coverup, and treated the Contactees as stupid crazies.

    Most of the Saucer Cults died out over time, out of place when UFO beliefs evolved into Abductions, Cattle Mutilations, and increasingly Grimdark Grand Unified Conspiracy Theory.

  160. Headless Unicorn Guy
    November 2, 2014 at 6:54 PM

    For me, it’s usually the point of origin or name of the alien home world. In Boyd’s case, the name was Quintonia. Sounded to me like a former Slavic or Soviet republic.

    Or a health food suppressed by Big Pharma and guaranteed to Cure All Cancer.

  161. Headless Unicorn Guy
    November 2, 2014 at 6:56 PM

    Kind of like the charming crazy uncle at the family reunion?

    That’s still something to be celebrated for.

  162. Headless Unicorn Guy
    November 2, 2014 at 7:09 PM

    “The attempt by the macro-evolutionist camp to depict the intelligent design camp as religious instead of scientific has no merit. Intelligent design does not invoke any religious text. Instead it is as deep into all the physical and biological sciences as the evolutionist camp. Accusations to the contrary have no merit and are emotional or faith-based instead of scientific.”

    This is such standard Young Earth Creationist boilerplate I don’t know where to start. First, I have only heard the terms “Macro-Evolution” and “Evolutionist” from YEC Uber Alles types — it’s part of their Newspeak. And the defense of Intelligent Design as “not invoking any religious text” — whatever ID started out as, by the time it hits the courts it’s become nothing more than a coat of camouflage paint for Genesis 1 YEC Uber Alles, with the “Designing Intelligence” YHVH God with the namebadge painted over. And have you ever heard the term “Creation Science”?

  163. Headless Unicorn Guy
    November 2, 2014 at 7:13 PM

    Remember Arthur Conan Doyle? Creator of Sherlock Holmes AND Professor Challenger?

    Rational Victorian yet extreme Spiritualist — if you claimed to be channeling a message from his dead son or showed him photographs of fairies, he’d believe anything you told him.

  164. PoliPsy
    November 2, 2014 at 9:03 PM

    “Which still sounds analogous to a religious conversion experience. Being Born Again(TM), a complete paradigm shift with overtones of those Christian tracts that claim their faith is really FACT, FACT, FACT.”

    That would be your interpretation, but incorrect. ‘World view change’ would be a better description. ‘Waking up’ would be another. ‘Paradigm shift’ would be acceptable. Sounds like you have religious issues, Headless Unicorn Guy.

  165. PoliPsy
    November 2, 2014 at 9:13 PM

    None of your treatise addresses the reality of UFO phenomena, Headless Unicorn Guy. Your walk through history of odd human behavior is a combination of a straw man and ad hominem argument. Human nature ensures that some people will act oddly in the face of unknowns — just as you are now.

    “While working with a camera crew supervising flight testing of advanced aircraft at Edward’s Air Force Base, California, the camera crew filmed the landing of a strange disc object that flew in over their heads and landed on a dry lake nearby. A camera crewman approached the saucer, it rose up above the area and flew off at a speed faster than any known aircraft.” — Mercury-9 and Gemini-5 NASA astronaut, L. Gordon Cooper

  166. PoliPsy
    November 2, 2014 at 9:26 PM

    It’s becoming clear, Headless Unicorn Guy, that you don’t know what you’re talking about, and you are trying your best to pick a fight.

    “Some three years ago, (1957), as chairman of the House Select Committee on Outer Space out of which came the recently established NASA, my Select Committee held executive sessions on the matter of ‘Unidentified Flying Objects.’ We could not get much information at that time, although it was pretty well established … that there were some objects flying around in space that were unexplainable.”
    — John W. McCormack, U.S. Representative, Former Speaker of the House, in a November 4, 1960 letter to Major Donald Keyhoe —

    “For the last six months we have been working with a congressional committee investigating official secrecy concerning proof that UFOs are real machines under intelligent control.”
    — Major Donald E. Keyhoe, USMC, from a live national broadcast, on CBS in 1958. Keyhoe had an approved script to follow, but when [he] deviated from it with this statement, the audio was cut-off in the middle of his sentence, ‘for reasons of national security.’ —

    “I worked on the 1977 Carter White House Extraterrestrial Communication Project. It called for creation of central and regional databases under independent control on UFOs and EBEs—that is Extraterrestrial Biological Entities. The full management staff and the research institute had signed off knowingly on the proposal …I flew back from my meeting with the White House, at which this final approval had been given. And when I arrived back at my offices at SRI (Stanford Research Institute), I was called back into the office of the senior SRI official. The project was to be terminated. They had received direct communication from the Pentagon that if the study went forward, SRI’s contracts would be terminated. These contracts were a substantial part of SRI’s business at the time. The senior Pentagon liaison stated that the project was terminated because, “There are no UFOs.” Here we have a President of the United States who came to office under a pledge to open up the UFO issue, and an open study in the White House, and that was squelched.”
    — Dr. Alfred Webre, Stanford Research Institute, Senior Policy Analyst, Disclosure, pp. 441 – 446 —

  167. Wijnand
    November 3, 2014 at 6:36 AM

    Alan says:
    “Does anyone here know how Bell Labs engineers got the patents on fiber optics and the history of this development?”

    Well, I tried to find out more about this online last night, but did not get anywhere out-of-the-ordinary or in any way related to back-engineering from UFO’s.
    So, if you have a link(s) to this “very interesting history”, could you please share it with us, so we can form our own opinion? Thanks in advance.

  168. idoubtit
    November 3, 2014 at 8:01 AM

    Thanks to everyone who commented but I’m closing this thread. We’ve rejected more than the 167 comments we did approve for various reasons. I’m sorry to those who did not get their comments posted but I’m afraid many of the new people that came here via UFO disclosure or conspiracy sites have not understood our goals for this site. This is a science-based source of information – not a debating forum. We consider sound evidence, not speculation. You are asked to provide additional, supported information, not just your two cents.

    Opinions about the reality of intelligent alien life are unsupported at this time.

    Also, we prefer to stick to the topic at hand, which is the obvious hoaxing related to Mr. Bushman.

    Therefore, comments were rejected because they were unsupported opinion, off topic (debating reality of UFOs and aliens), degrading or obscene, unintelligible, or longer than the original post.

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