“Chemtrail” forum to be held by Arizona senator (UPDATE: Was it worth it?)

UPDATE on how it went. See below.

Our congresspeople waste a lot of time on nonsense like UFOs. Here is some more. People around Lake Havasu are complaining about “chemtrails” (really condensation trails from planes) which has prompted the Arizona senator to set up a forum.

Arizona senator hosting ‘chemtrail’ forum after Mohave County residents complain about contrails – NY Daily News.

State Sen. Kelli Ward will entertain conspiracy theories on Wednesday regarding the faint clouds of condensed jet exhaust that have been plaguing the skies over Lake Havasu for years, according to the Havasu News newspaper.

Residents of the remote desert community have inundated Ward with letters, emails and phone calls over the years demanding answers on white streaks in the sky and if they’re connected to the higher than normal levels of mercury in their blood.

“There has been a sense that no one has been doing anything for them to address those concerns,” Ward told the Havasu News.

This is her job – to answer to her constituents. It does appear that she will have actual experts on hand to explain how condensation trails form in the sky and that there is ZERO evidence for their conspiratorial ideas that they are being poisoned.

Residents should be asked to provide evidence for their claims of mercury. But from there, to connect the mercury to some government conspiracy (other than other many normal causes), will be a tough job.

Honestly, I don’t think any forum will help. People who believe such insane speculation aren’t being rational. They didn’t rationalize themselves into the idea, no one else can rationalize them out. The naysayers yell that the government isn’t telling them everything. How about considering there is nothing to tell. Ask them what evidence would they need to accept that these are not poisonous clouds but normal aircraft trails. Would you bet they wouldn’t have an answer to that? I would. Nothing with convince them to part with their invested belief because that would leave them looking stupid.

Chemtrail scare! It’s that damn dihydrogen monoxide! | Doubtful News.

Pilots worried chemtrail conspiracy theorists may try to shoot down airliners | Doubtful News.

Here is a great resource: Contrail Science.

Tip: Ray Gorman

UPDATE (29-Jun-2014) AZ residents at chemtrail hearing: ‘We’re being sprayed like we’re bugs and it’s really not okay’.

Citing a belief that the U.S. government is filling the sky over their desert community with chemicals, while referring to work of conspiracy theorist Russell Blaylock, western Arizona residents attended a hearing on chemtrails on Wednesday to voice their concerns.

With one woman stating, “We’re being sprayed like bugs and it’s really not okay,” Sherrie Zendri, a policy specialist with the Arizona state environmental agency attempted to explain to the audience that her department has no jurisdiction over airplanes, which falls under the purview of the Federal Aviation Administration.

They cite a ton of speculation, unfounded ideas about spray nozzles on planes and quote from their internet sources. The entire hearing is available to watch. I’m sorry I can’t manage to get through that. But from previous experience with public meeting and paranoid citizens, it sounds like a typical meeting of talking past each other. Of course, there would be no resolution when you can’t agree on basic foundational facts. So, I’m not clear this sort of thing helps at all.

  20 comments for ““Chemtrail” forum to be held by Arizona senator (UPDATE: Was it worth it?)

  1. Mark Brown
    June 23, 2014 at 12:31 PM

    Why are people so worried about government conspiracies?! Have they not seen how government operates?! Any conspiracy operated by government is guaranteed:

    (1) to be grossly over-budget;
    (2) to be delayed many years beyond the designated implementation date;
    (3) won’t do what it was designed to do;
    (4) will probably be obsolete within a few months of coming in to operation.

  2. Stephanie
    June 23, 2014 at 2:04 PM

    Why would they ask their senator to look into it in the first place if they think the government is behind it all? I’m if she fails to confirm their beliefs she will just be labelled as part of the conspiracy.

  3. Bill T.
    June 23, 2014 at 2:25 PM

    I’m often struck by what appears to me to be cognitive disconnects in folks’ thinking, such as this whole “the government” (apparently viewed as a monolithic anti-citizen entity) is behind all our troubles thing.

    On one hand, the government is accused of being completely incompetent, but on the other, apparently able to maintain a conspiracy that would require collusion of thousands of individuals, including airport workers, none of whom would come out about a conspiracy that poisons the world they and their families living in.

  4. David H
    June 23, 2014 at 2:37 PM

    And that is the beauty of it. No matter the answer they get, it will validate their paranoia.

  5. kompani101
    June 23, 2014 at 3:04 PM

    I think the Government in the UK is the worst but then I look over the pond at the one in America and realise I’ve nothing to worry about, there’s much worse. Governments. (Please apply British sense of humour)

  6. L. Barth
    June 23, 2014 at 3:26 PM

    Is similar to what folks say about the POTUS. Depending on the subject, If were are talking about problems in the Middle East, he is a weak leader. If the subject is here in U.S., he’s a tyrannical dictator coming to take everybody’s guns & throw us into FEMA death camps. Can’t win. sigh.

  7. skeptictmac57
    June 23, 2014 at 4:58 PM

    The government’s apparent ineptitude is just part of their deep cover to disguise their evil super-genius.

  8. skeptictmac57
    June 23, 2014 at 5:08 PM

    If I were you,I would be thinking “Holy Crap!!! Those people have a massive nuclear stockpile and high tech military!!!”
    Nothing to worry about? It’s like children playing with dynamite if the wrong people get into the highest positions of power.
    Sarah Palin as vice president still haunts my dreams.

  9. Bill T.
    June 23, 2014 at 5:36 PM

    Mac, I believe you’re onto something there!

  10. skeptictmac57
    June 23, 2014 at 6:41 PM

    Yeah,that would be more comforting in some sense I suppose.
    It has been speculated that conspiracy believers do gain some comfort from believing that there is an omnipresent,omniscient,all-powerful entity working behind the scenes,rather than believe that a random,natural,or ordinary occurrence could be responsible for what they don’t understand.
    Hmmmm, that sounds familiar somehow.

  11. spookyparadigm
    June 23, 2014 at 7:07 PM

    This is terrible news, but not unexpected of the anti-science party.

  12. busterggi
    June 23, 2014 at 7:36 PM

    “It does appear that she will have actual experts on hand to explain how condensation trails form in the sky and that there is ZERO evidence for their conspiratorial ideas that they are being poisoned”

    Well if that isn’t proof of the conspiracy what is?

  13. Bill D'Arcy
    June 24, 2014 at 12:28 AM

    I’ve noticed another huge disconnect, specifically concerning chemtrails….

    If you want to kill an insect in your house, you spray it directly, up close; when farm crops and weeds are sprayed, the drop-dusting contractor flies at crazy low levels; and when the military went defoliating with Agent Orange in Viet Nam, they flew just above the treetops; BUT when the US government wants to dose the citizens on the ground, it flies 5-6-7 miles up!

  14. kompani101
    June 24, 2014 at 12:58 AM

    Perhaps it is a sub concious guilt at all the poisonous agent orange America sprayed from aircraft onto the jungle and its inhabitants during the Vietnam war that is haunting the chem trail advocates. Just a thought.

  15. Bill D'Arcy
    June 24, 2014 at 3:50 AM

    Interesting thought kompani101…. Most of those directly involved in the Agent Orange defoliation (aircrew, cargo handlers etc) would now be 60+ (my generation), their commanders even older. Anyone younger that is haunted by the Vietnam War is carrying a heavy burden of guilt for someone else’s actions. How sad.

  16. Rex Dart
    June 24, 2014 at 9:30 AM

    To channel Oscar from “The Office”: STATE senator. U.S. senators can be just as awful in their own ways, but they tend to at least be savvy enough not to indulge in obvious nuttery.

  17. Jim Speiser
    June 24, 2014 at 4:22 PM

    …and would be blamed on Obama regardless of when it began.

  18. Bill T.
    June 27, 2014 at 10:02 AM

    I’ve been thinking about your comment for a few days to try to come up for reasons to decide if I agree or not. I don’t believe it to be the case, largely because I have doubts about how well known the deforestation efforts in the war were.

  19. kompani101
    June 27, 2014 at 10:18 AM

    Sorry, I was being sarcastic to illustrate how totally ridiculous the whole chem trail paranoia is. It was to illustrate how easily two similar sounding but disconnected events could be linked in the human mind simply by stating them in the right way. (British sense of humour again)

  20. Bill T.
    June 30, 2014 at 11:35 AM

    Well, there you go, I missed that (as was obvious from my previous). Appreciate the clarification. In my defence, it didn’t sound as far removed to me as some other hypotheses, it was relatively sane sounding.

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