Is there a rash of UFO researcher deaths? Just because I’m paranoid…

I don’t have the time to pick this piece apart and, frankly, it’s not worth it. This sounds like a WHOLE LOTTA paranoia to feed the UFO crowd and I’m not buying it. People die all the time. It does not mean the government is after you or aliens, if that’s what you want to believe.

Are UFO experts being murdered? New book to investigate ‘pattern’ of deaths – Yahoo News UK.

A crop circle researcher found floating off the coast of Portsmouth and the rapid decline of a UFO expert who believed he had found an alien skull, are the latest in what some UFO researchers claim is a ‘pattern’ of suspicious deaths of researchers into extraterrestrial sightings, stretching back to as early as 1947.

A plane supposedly shot down by the U.S. military is believed to have been carrying fragments of a flying saucer, while the death of first U.S. Secretary of Defense, James Forrestal, is believed to be UFO related. Some believe that victims number in their dozens.

The pattern of suspicious deaths hit the headlines again this year as activist Steve Bassett spoke on the subject on national radio show C2C in America. A new book, Close Encounters of the Fatal Kind by Nick Redfern, is due out this summer.

I’ll admit I’m biased but I don’t consider a book and talk on a mystery mongering radio show to be good evidence for calling these deaths a pattern or even mysterious. Crop circles? COME ON!!! People DO die strange deaths and people who immerse themselves in weird ideas tend to have more weird ideas and possibly mental problems that lead to trouble. You’d have to have considerable solid evidence to be more than speculation regarding those with UFO inside info as being specially targeted to be snuffed out.

At least some do admit you can’t prove these things and the idea is NOT new. But really? Been going on systematically since 1947? That’s a giant reach and I doubt they will make anything close to a solid case for this.

If I do know one thing, I know that many UFO proponents are very paranoid and will buy into this stuff. That is NOT a positive thing. They already are misguided by mythical lore and pop culture propaganda in place of verifiable facts. Some seem to live in a fantasy world. Cherry picking to make things sound worse will not solve anything.

People give the government an awful lot of credit while out the other side of their mouth saying the government is inept. Which is it? It’s just more to add to the UFO myth machine.

The Romaneks are planning to go the conspiracy route to fight charges against them too.

If you have thoughts on this, let us know.

  9 comments for “Is there a rash of UFO researcher deaths? Just because I’m paranoid…

  1. terry the censor
    March 18, 2014 at 11:17 PM

    Since the book isn’t out, it’s premature to be worried about any wild claims it may or may not make.

    These things are hard to predict with Nick. He is definitely not a UFO partisan yet he does tend to pander, giving the fandom a bit of mystery mongering here and there. I’m hoping Magonia gives it a review.

  2. March 19, 2014 at 1:13 AM

    I heard Bassett’s interview on C2C, and I have to say that, as a non-conspiracist, it was pretty funny. He went into ALL that stuff, and your earlier post today about Romanek having data mysteriously planted on his computer in order to take him out. To his credit, Bassett either seriously believes this (he actually sounded scared), or he is a good actor (he actually sounded scared). Not sure which, but the sad part like all of these woo-peddlers is that it doesn’t even matter at this point if they believe it, OTHER people believe them, and that’s what sucks.

  3. Count Otto Black
    March 19, 2014 at 2:08 AM

    James Forrestal apparently jumped from a high window in a psychiatric hospital where he was recovering from a complete mental and physical breakdown caused by overwork and exhaustion. He was severely depressed, and being treated with a brutal combination of 1940s psychiatric drugs that sometimes made him extremely confused. Claims that he was murdered are based mainly on two facts: the note he left wasn’t unambiguously a suicide note, and he had a pajama cord round his neck as if somebody might have tried and failed to strangle him before throwing him out of the window. Since at the time he barely knew what he was doing, it’s rather more plausible that he wrote a muddled suicide note which he thought made everything clear, and tried unsuccessfully to hang himself before jumping.

    The UFO connection, such that it is, rests on extremely dubious and/or outright hoaxed sources, and is ultimately based on circular reasoning – Forrestal was the recently-dismissed Secretary of Defense, therefore if the US government were covering up the existence of flying saucers, he must have been in on it at the highest levels. Taking it as read that this is true, obviously if a man like that becomes mentally unstable, he’s the worst possible security risk. Therefore he was murdered. Obviously.

    The plane “supposedly shot down by the US military” presumably refers to the Maury Island incident in June 1947. Within days of Kenneth Arnold’s sighting of the very first “flying saucers” (which were actually banana-shaped but never mind), which, whatever he really saw, he almost certainly reported in good faith, two dubious characters tried to steal his thunder and make a fast buck by claiming an even more dramatic UFO sighting a couple of days before Arnold’s, in which an ailing saucer (which was shaped like a donut – like Nessie, it took a while for people to agree on what shape this new weird thing was supposed to be) dropped a large quantity of wreckage, killing their dog. One of these men had a prior history of making outrageous claims in pulp magazines, and the other admitted years later that it had all been a hoax.

    Since this was literally the first days of the UFO era, and US military were still genuinely concerned that these things might be Russian experimental aircraft, the air force sent a couple of officers to look into it. They interviewed the witnesses, took some samples of the material that supposedly fell from the craft, and left in a plane which, being pilots, they flew themselves. Unfortunately it developed engine trouble. Not everybody on board died, though both the investigators did, mainly because they were very brave men who stayed at the controls long enough for the rest of the crew to jump safely, so the facts are not really in dispute – it most certainly was NOT shot down! And anyway, why would the US military shoot down one of its own planes in order to assassinate two of its own men whom it sent on the mission in the first place?

    The paranoia mill started cranking very early 0n, because the two (utterly discredited) witnesses claimed to have been threatened by mysterious men who were obviously not working for the government, or at any rate not for any part of it that the USAF investigators knew about, and presumably it was these “men in black” (this was the original MIB sighting from which all the others are derived) who caused the plane to crash, obviously by sabotaging it. Obviously. I mean, planes never go wrong by themselves, do they? Not even in 1949.

    By the way, not all of the alleged flying saucer debris was taken away by the investigators and lost in the crash. Plenty remained to be analyzed. It turned out to be indistinguishable from industrial slag, heaps of which could be found in the immediate vicinity of Maury Island.

    And so on. I expect this idiotic pot-boiler will resuscitate a deeply unpleasant tale from some years back. Two or three elderly UFO researchers died of bowel cancer over a fairly short period of time. Since there’s no such thing as a coincidence, even though old people very often get cancer and this is one of the more common types, it was put about in the UFO community that the governments of various countries had assassinated them by putting radioactive needles in the upholstery of their car seats! Naturally there was precisely no evidence other than the twisted “logic” of backwards paranoid reasoning.

    I’m reminded of the mentally unbalanced UFO nut who – I swear I’m not making this up – explained to me that O. J. Simpson was innocent because the US government were clearly trying to frame him as a punishment for appearing in the movie Capricorn One, which blew a barely-disguised whistle on the faked Moon landings. I think he also claimed they killed Telly Savalas for being in that film too, but by then my brain had stopped.

    Which in turn reminds me of the interesting theory, apparently derived from an obscure French mockumentary which not everybody realized was a joke, that Stanley Kubrick was assassinated by the US government for revealing in coded form throughout his movie of The Shining that he’d been hired by NASA to fake the Moon landing footage. It wouldn’t surprise me if the shameless Mr. Redfern includes this ripe steaming nugget in his potboiler – he is after all the man who succeeded in writing an entire book about “Man-Ape the British Bigfoot” (???).

  4. spookyparadigm
    March 19, 2014 at 7:21 AM

    From the headline, I was going to point out the demographics of ufology pretty much demand a wave of deaths will start happening in the early 2000s.

    And then I saw it was another Nick Redfern book and decided not to bother.

  5. busterggi
    March 19, 2014 at 8:21 AM

    Stanton Freidman and the guy with the hair are eliminating their competition.

  6. Chris Howard
    March 19, 2014 at 9:12 AM

    Dr. Shermer is really a CIA assassin, android, extraterrestrial, from a future divergent timeline sent to eliminate any possible threat to his reptilian overlords.

    Did I cover all the based with that one? 😉

  7. March 19, 2014 at 11:04 AM

    He’s been called worse. 🙂

  8. March 19, 2014 at 11:05 AM

    I had similar thoughts.

  9. BobM
    March 19, 2014 at 8:51 PM

    Just like the curse of King Tut’s tomb. Where there were ‘suspicious’ deaths of those connected with its opening. Except when you take a random sample of the same number of human beings from anywhere around the world, a similar number died. Be interesting to do that with true believers.

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