There were once many hominin populations – NO NOT BIGFOOT

A tipster passed this on to me this AM when it was first published. Warned me that the Bigfooters would see this as somehow related to the current talk about Bigfoot being a hybrid. And, guess what… they did. Even Melba herself.

Mystery humans spiced up ancients’ rampant sex lives : Nature News & Comment.

New genome sequences from two extinct human relatives suggest that these ‘archaic’ groups bred with humans and with each other more extensively than was previously known.

The ancient genomes, one from a Neanderthal and one from a different archaic human group, the Denisovans, were presented on 18 November at a meeting at the Royal Society in London. They suggest that interbreeding went on between the members of several ancient human-like groups living in Europe and Asia more than 30,000 years ago, including an as-yet unknown human ancestor from Asia.

Interbreeding was already known. This new data is more precise than what was used previously. This allowed for determination of a new find – a signature from a different genome from a lineage which we have no fossils remains.

The new Denisovan genome indicates that this enigmatic population got around: Reich said at the meeting that they interbred with Neanderthals and with the ancestors of human populations that now live in China and other parts of East Asia, in addition to Oceanic populations, as his team previously reported. Most surprisingly, Reich said, the new genomes indicate that Denisovans interbred with another extinct population of archaic humans that lived in Asia more than 30,000 years ago, which is neither human nor Neanderthal.

And, yes the Bigfooters picked up on this in relation to Ketchum’s results that Bigfoot living right now is a human-unknown primate hybrid from 15,000 years ago. She puts this up on Facebook:

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Perhaps some anthropologist or actual geneticist can explain to me how this validates her study, because I don’t see it. This new finding does not relate to Bigfoot. But, some will cherry pick what looks like relevant and interesting data to bolster their case to the less than knowledgeable public. Remember Ketchum’s DNA was lemur and all sorts of other things and did not fit into the evolutionary record like this find does.

It is a surprise, but not incredible, since we now have five different kinds of hominids contributing to the modern human population (in about the last 300,000 years; Neanderthals and modern humans emerge about 200,000 years ago). A sixth hominin, H. floresiensis, is known but it was isolated on an island. We don’t have the genetics (yet) to show evidence of inter-breeding, but they appear to be more like an offshoots of H. erectus. [Note: “Hominin” represents the group consisting of modern humans, extinct human species and all our immediate ancestors (including members of the genera Homo, Australopithecus, Paranthropus and Ardipithecus). Source ]

These current results tell us that the populations mixed rather freely, did not stay isolated. And they also suggest the fossils will be found for this new population. It also reinforces the idea that human evolution was a complicated evolutionary bush with genetic mixing. I’ll leave the interpretations to scientists (paleoanthropology specialists) who know what they are doing.

Meanwhile, Melba is still trying to stay relevant saying her stuff is peer reviewed and valid. Nature rejected her study for being poor. I guess the scientific community likes this hybrid idea better. I don’t wonder why.

Big Thanks to Jeb Card for the tip and the background info

  7 comments for “There were once many hominin populations – NO NOT BIGFOOT

  1. November 19, 2013 at 9:07 PM

    “Hey, baby. You look vaguely hominid. Wanna party?”

  2. Chris Howard
    November 20, 2013 at 1:06 AM

    Man, I read this on Gizmodo and had the exact same thought. I’m so disappointed that I was right about the Big Foot thing.

  3. End the Madness
    November 20, 2013 at 1:07 AM

    WAIT! She claimed the mitochondrial DNA was fully human all this time …. and now she completely changes her story!?! Has anyone informed Scott Carpenter??? No, wait …. nevermind. He won’t figure out that she’s contradicted her previous statements. He’ll say she misquoted herself because the MIB made her.

  4. Daran
    November 20, 2013 at 3:05 AM

    Denisovan is only known from a fingerbone and 2 teeth, yes they did gene sequencing but what the data actually means is open for debate. Many believe them to be modern human and the same for Neanderthal.
    I will wait for more evidence.

  5. November 20, 2013 at 6:26 AM

    Common sense tells us that there would have been an increasing number of hominin species and sub-species as we go further back into the last five million or so years. We know that only one of them did not become extinct and has ended up as us. We do not know for certain when the other lines died out. This is because only a tiny number of individuals (for some species perhaps none at all) become fossilised. Almost all were eaten or have become dust. We currently know that there were Neanderthals in Gibraltar up to 24,000 years ago but they may have survived, somewhere else, to a more recent date. Although present day ‘Big-foot’ can be dismissed as fantasy or wishful thinking, it is possible that other hominins were around until say ten or fifteen thousand years ago. They could have been in small numbers and have left no trace.

  6. November 21, 2013 at 2:21 PM

    Yep, many believer in the wood ape think that. But they pick and choose the facts. They pick what fits into their concept, but leave out facts like higher primates NOT being very tall, bipedal, or nocturnal (for the most part).

    Good advice, wait and see, rely on true science…….but I still “want” BF to be real……hope that doesn’t make me a bad denialists! 🙂

  7. D Lawrence
    November 21, 2013 at 9:01 PM

    A standard definition for “species” is (or at least was when I learned it 50 years ago) that two sexually reproducing populations are the same species if members can interbreed and produce fertile offspring. (I don’t know about bacteria.) Which implies that Neanderthals and sapiens were the same species. A few years ago, when the DNA evidence first appeared, I asked an paleoanthropologist about this, and was told that yes, indeed, they (and the Denisovan people) were the same species.

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