Carey believed she was being monitored under Obama’s orders

Not another paranoid conspiracy theorist!? We are getting more info on the Capitol Hill suspect and it’s not good.

Capitol suspect Miriam Carey believed Obama electronically monitored her | abc11.com.

The woman who led police on a high-speed chase near the U.S. Capitol before being shot dead had a history of mental illness.

She believed President Obama was electronically monitoring her Connecticut home in order to broadcast her life on television, sources said.

Carey told police President Obama had placed Stamford on lockdown and had arranged to have her home electronically monitored and her life broadcast on television, sources said.

Police handcuffed Carey and remanded her for a mental health evaluation. According to sources, Carey had a family history of schizophrenia and was taking medication for a mental illness.

As we saw with the Navy Yard gunman, he believed he was being controlled. Time after time, we see a failure of the health care system and society to adequately address mental health issues and they turn worse or tragic. This case nearly took the life of a child as well, Carey’s one year old daughter was in the car. There is so much behind this and this ever growing list of tragedies related to brains gone wrong. Sad.

Tip: Jack Brewer

  28 comments for “Carey believed she was being monitored under Obama’s orders

  1. October 4, 2013 at 2:08 PM

    Total coincidence or part of a conspiracy? Next e mail i opened was “Insights into the Personalities of Conspiracy Theorists” http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=insights-into-the-personalities-conspiracy-theorists. Back later i need to find more tin foil for a helmet.

  2. Chris Howard
    October 4, 2013 at 3:43 PM

    It’s been this way for a long time.

    Both our homelessness problem, as well as spikes in drug abuse, and subsequent rises in property crimes have direct links to the defunding of mental health care facilities, and cuts in affordable housing.

    Continued poverty, and the shrinking middle-class aren’t helping, either.

  3. October 4, 2013 at 4:23 PM

    I’m Brit/Irish & moved to northern France for love – what else?! The level of street drinkers,alchos, & homeless here is unbelievable. Coming from the northern part of Britain – Ulster/Scots area i thought we were bad, but never seen anything like it before. Off the tourist trail, & only other Anglos as all English speakers called here rare a few north Africans whose only common language is English & one mad American guy, who visits from nearby Lille at times, dressed in WWII US forces uniform waving an oversized Stars & Stripes, yelling unintelligably in middle of crossroads or tramlines. The survivalists & conspiracy theorists drive me nuts, & think they contribute to any govt cracking down & going as paranoid as some of their citizens. I have had a life long respect for America in general, but think it’s starting to sink into real lunacy now; You still, despite the class differences, have the best standard of living in the world, & no matter how bad you think your government is, gives the fairest system of social care,complicated though it may be (& i’ve plenty of experience of the convoluted French system now). Stuff your racism folks – you are a country renowned for building a democracy on acceptance of everyone. You can tell me which amendment gave freedom of religion. Yes intergration is important, & that’s where it irks every country, like here too, but remember your country’s greatness was built on it’s multiplicity of races uniting together for the common good. Soz rant over. Think before you rant please America & don’t lose your original reason for greatness.

  4. spookyparadigm
    October 4, 2013 at 5:55 PM

    That article Paul linked to is interesting, and I might read the full version.

    But the remainder of the linked article disproves its initial assertion. Conspiracy theories are eminently falsifiable.

    But when it happens, you get four kinds of behavior

    – Some people get angry they felt duped, and often rage in the opposite direction for a while (at least). It’s an understandable response, but a problematic one (No offense, but as a strong materialist myself, I see this some in some of the more active atheist voices).

    – Some people, and it would be hard to know how many, give up the conspiracy theory, and often feel a little put out by the ideology it was tied to (while some conspiracy theories are more independent, many are in service of larger ideologies), and quietly embarrassed in some cases. I suspect many of us have had this experience. I’m certainly familiar with it.

    – Many, and I think this can be detected qualitatively if not measured quantitatively, sort-of-remember-believe the conspiracy theory but don’t “truly” believe it anymore. A great deal of conspiracy theory, as detailed in at least one of the links, has little to do with the actual ideas and is more of a hyperbolic statement against someone else, or about the believer’s identity. It’s the epistemological equivalent of screaming F*** YOU! So the idea gets brought up from time to time when the former adherent still gets angry about the thing they were angry about to begin with. This is my primary exposure IRL to conspiracy theory, when people get to that familiar part of conversation and it turns to politics or science or something and the supposedly serious people roll out the stupid.

    – And then, what the article was trying to get at, is there are people who have such a pervasive hatred of other people, often those with education and influence (sometimes wealth, but usually not for that wealth but other characteristics), and indignation at having reality dictated to them instead of being able to control reality, they throw a temper-tantrum against reality and simply believe something else that’s not the conventional wisdom. They will believe anything that keeps the same feelings going.

    One can refuse to falsify anything. It’s just childish, but it isn’t limited to “conspiracy theories” unless we define “conspiracy theory” as anything where the person keeps moving the goal posts. Which might be the case, but then perhaps we should be talking less about conspiracy theories, and more about reality-challenged people.

  5. October 4, 2013 at 6:19 PM

    The conspiracys are out there but in lesser forms than ranted about. Every government downplays aspects of policies they think less popular. Just stating next thing landed in e mail. I’m a bit paranoid by nature, but aware of it & cope with it, & don’t blow it up to,the scale of lot of these nutters. I just say that’s life, official statements, & reality, & try not to blow out of proportion. Being from Norn Irn distrustful of politics & religion, used as excuses for extreme behaviour. Been mistaken for opposite religion/political background just because of schools i went to. Experienced bigotry from both sides. Religion in my place of birth is a false flag. Both Protestants would be content to be part of Republic of Ireland & as many Catholics happy for the north to remain in the UK. Simply you don’t state it to your neighbours for fear of paramilitary connections & a bullet in the knee or head. I was born into one corner, & never chose it. I subscribe to no religion or political doctrine, & now live in France where i’m very much in a minority because of my country & sect of christianity at birth. A thing that really urinates me off is that despite some folk claiming to be christian they do not adhere to anything like christianity,which supposedly promotes tolerance.

  6. spookyparadigm
    October 4, 2013 at 6:26 PM

    Many, though I don’t know what percentage, of those screaming loudest about being Christians in the US are doing so as part of a largely ethnic panic, and because of our political history, they’ve been able to achieve significant amounts of power.

  7. October 4, 2013 at 6:36 PM

    Once a country known for logic & rationality sorry to say it’s loosing it. Yes probably to those who shout loudest & get on the news. Dinnae like to boast but post lot of stuff to Pinterest about the US forces good works overseas. Can rant & rave about the US but still respect their power for good in the world. Know the US forces overseas committed a lot of bad stuff, but invited to contribute to 5 or 6 sites about US military, & probably pain in arse for contributing too much. Still enough good guys to keep a bit of faith in humanity.

  8. BobM
    October 4, 2013 at 6:55 PM
  9. Chris Howard
    October 4, 2013 at 7:21 PM

    Having worked with the mentally ill for years I can tell you that our current health care system, specific to psychiatric health, was gutted in the eighties (it’s a matter of record) and those patients were literally made homeless, with out access to their medications, and therapy, overnight.

    They turned to illegal drugs, and alcohol in an attempt at self medicating. Since most couldn’t hold down jobs, due to their mental illnesses, they turned to crime to support their addictions.

    All of this increased the amount government had to spend on law enforcement, and it’s associated costs; which, ironically enough, cost way more than taking care of the patients in the first place.

    Nearly thirty years on and we still haven’t learned, or are unwilling to admit, that that particular policy was wrong.

    The problem, I think, is that as a nation we hold our ignorant, insensitive, and arrogant opinions in higher regard than the truth. We have come to believe that we know everything, about everything, and that elite specialists are living in their ivory towers, and have no idea what their talking about. Put another way “my ignorant opinion (ignorance) is just as valid as your learned, expert opinion (knowledge).”

    So in this instance you have a group of woefully ignorant politicians who believe that they are qualified to make decisions regarding mental health. They most certainly do not.

    We have a tendency to try everything else, other than what’s right, necessary and sufficient up until the bitter end. In that sense Churchill was spot on in his critique of us.

    Our country has always been in conflict over its rhetoric and it’s reality. Our history may be great, that’s debatable, but it’s also irrelevant. It’s what we do in the here and now that is important, not nostalgia over a past that never was.

    It’s tempting to say that system failed her, but that presumes a functional mental health system, which by all sane, and accurate measure, we do not possess.

  10. October 4, 2013 at 9:45 PM

    I spent months working next to a woman who thought I had gone to Washington “to destroy the evidence that would prove her innocence…”… ummm… yeah… This was a case of a nutjob as opposed to an actual conspiracy theorist. And stories of “men in the white suits” coming to take you away are true. They came, talked to her calmly and were able to give her a dose of something that calmed her down so they could escort her away. They called a member of her family to be there as well to make it easier. Never came back and never saw her again. Actually, it was HER job that I got after being a per diem for those few months. That was 33 years ago…

  11. Graham
    October 4, 2013 at 11:03 PM

    The gutting of the US Mental Health system in the 80s was the result of a ‘Perfect Storm’. The Left believed the Middle Class would be more compassionate towards the mentally ill if they were ‘confronted’ by mental illness. The Right simply wanted to save money. The result, the mentally ill were given the right to refuse treatment… the consequences of that can be seen in the Navy Yard shooter and now this.

  12. Sean A. Elliott
    October 5, 2013 at 12:42 AM

    She had a history of mental illness? And her illness resulted in paranoia and delusions? Is that surprising? Is it news?

    So what are we saying here? That conspiracy theorists are mentally ill? Or maybe we are saying that those with psychiatric problems are simply unwilling to think critically?

    You may not realize this, but when you bring attention to a tragedy like this in this context, you help propagate stigma and judgement by sensationalizing the “fantastical” element, while blaming the person with the illness for symptoms they did not choose. Schizophrenia does not make anyone a “conspiracy theorist”. Delusions of persecution and thoughts about being under surveillance are not uncommon for people with a diagnosis. It destroys lives, both the lives of the afflicted and the lives of those who love and care for them.

    • October 5, 2013 at 11:48 AM

      And it does not help that assholes like Alex Jones make a living promoting their shit to vulnerable people. There are always a complicated mess of factors that compel people to act the way they do but for conspiracy mongerers to do nothing but spew nonsense is NOT helpful, it is harmful. What value is Alex Jones? Entertainment? For a few. Is he sadly accepted and influential, yes. That’s wrong and he should be called out on it.

  13. October 5, 2013 at 12:39 PM

    Issues of ethics and personal responsibility are certainly relevant among individuals, myself included, who research and write about controversial demographics. Select well informed members of the UFO community, of which I am involved, recognize that demographics such as self-described mind control victims and self-described alien abductees often share many perceptions and opinions, a primary difference being their perceived abusers. Challenges will persist in reasonably accepting what Occam would suggest such a situation indicates, while simultaneously attempting to investigate and describe its sometimes interesting aspects.

    In 2005 the bizarre and tragic saga of a Mr. Allison Lamont Norman came to a head when he went on a horrific interstate shooting spree. He was apparently under the impression he was protecting himself and loved ones from what he feared were alien abductions:

    http://www.the-two-malcontents.com/2007/05/space-aliens-part-of-shooting-insanity-defense/

    The solutions to the many challenges are not simple, and carry consequences of which we must accept responsibility. Not only are the issues relevant of how a society should treat and care for such people as Mr. Norman, Ms. Carey and the recent Navy shooter, but so are the issues of delving into such demographics, researching them and writing about what we find.

  14. Chris Howard
    October 5, 2013 at 12:52 PM

    At Sean.

    I don’t think anyone here made the statement that all conspiracy theorists are crazy, or that all mentally ill people are conspiracy theorist?

    In this instance the woman had a history of mental illness, and was a conspiracy believer, so we’re just stating facts.

    If others choose to believe that mental illness is stigmatic, and that stating facts is disrespectful, then they need to reasses their perceptions. The responsibility for their ignorant beliefs cannot, and should not, be pinned on people who are simply stating facts. What others believe is their realonsibility.

    I worked with adjudicated juvenile sex offenders, gang members, the chemically dependent, and those with acquired brain injuries. We were underfunded, understaffed, and underappreciated, and the majority of us were very dedicated to our jobs, and helping others.

    We all learned very quickly that; after safety, accurate, factual, perception of objective reality trumps everything in mental health. The staff who tried to indulged the patients delusions didn’t help their charges, they enabled their delusions. They thought that they were being respectful, but they confused accomodation, and being nice, with respect.

    For me the whole point is not to disrespect people with mental illnesses, it is to accurately portray the consequences of not having adequate health care. That can only be accomplished by representing the issue as it is, rather than the way we wish it to be.

    My advice (for what it’s worth) work with those who need your help, and don’t worry about the ignorant opinions of others. You can’t change their minds, but you might be able to help those who need you most.

  15. Chris Howard
    October 5, 2013 at 1:26 PM

    @ BobM

    Thanks for the link, Charlie Veitch really needs to be commended, and reassured.

    It’s horrible what he’s had to endure from his, former, comrades in conspiracy.

  16. spookyparadigm
    October 5, 2013 at 4:16 PM

    Jack, wouldn’t step one for engaging with belief systems where one has a strong suspicion much of the core of the belief system comes from mental illness, be to try and divorce any discussion of it being reality? If an abduction researcher sees the obvious parallels between abduction cases and more obvious forms of mental illness, wouldn’t it be prudent at that point to start saying to ufology (or fill in the blank here) to knock it off, and call out those who are exploiting the ill?

    As I believe I mentioned in a comment a few weeks ago, I heard a paranormal radio host take the admirable stance of rejecting the likes of Alex Jones and their conspiracy mongering, and then toss off “but they/government can do those sorts of things[electronic harassment] so who knows?” Yeah, we do know. The government does lots of awful shit, but with very rare exceptions decades ago, it isn’t gaslighting people into madness (I am increasingly wondering if outside of the cases revealed in MKULTRA, if even some of the famous cases of same in ufology, aka Bennewitz, are even the case), it’s spying on them, screwing with their ability to travel, etc.. If one of these paranormal secret squirrels wants to actually uncover serious evidence of “Blue Beam” or other kinds of projects of mind control that resemble the symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia, you know, stuff that doesn’t involve grabbing some guy and sticking him in a brig somewhere and assaulting him with sound and light, then go to it. But otherwise, stop playing into it, you’re at best not helping. And I don’t mean just pointing at a DARPA paper somewhere that there is no other evidence of its use and assuming the worst. People sometimes kill their neighbors. Your neighbor probably has some gas or kerosene lying around. It doesn’t mean he’s planning to set your house on fire (but he may be stealing your wireless internet).

  17. spookyparadigm
    October 5, 2013 at 4:19 PM

    And to be clear, I don’t think abductionists or most other paranormal “therapists” are making people mentally ill. But ala homeopathy, are they giving people reasons not to get treatment?

    I would not say the same for radical Christians who promote possession or satanic abuse beliefs, they are harming not only their “patients” (possibly seriously or fatally) but also other people. That these beliefs are part of a larger political movement doesn’t help matters either.

  18. neko
    October 5, 2013 at 5:37 PM

    @idoubtit:

    Not to be captious, but I thought we were not talking about HEWHOSHALLNOTBENAMED anymore?

    I mean, I am onboard with the shunning. I’m just checking. Don’t take it the wrong way. Yuck, that guy we aren’t talking about.

  19. Chris Howard
    October 6, 2013 at 9:22 AM

    Speaking of Jonestown, has the Messiah of Mayhem made his knee-jerk “false flag” proclamation, yet?

    • October 6, 2013 at 12:09 PM

      Yes. Within an hour I think.

  20. October 6, 2013 at 3:00 PM

    Hi, spooky –

    I interpret there to be complex issues involved, many of which overlap with one another and could require significant written content. If I were to try to make a couple general and concise statements about it all, I would say it is probably most effective to explain to people what I think and why, as opposed to telling them what they should think. I’m of the opinion that promoting the practice of consciously differentiating between beliefs and facts is much more of the solution than the problem, while it reasonably supports a person’s freedom to believe as they choose.

  21. Chris Howard
    October 6, 2013 at 6:46 PM

    @ idoubt it

    Seriously!? You’re f*$^ing with me, right?

    How many times can a person make that claim before they start to sound rediculous to themselves?

  22. spookyparadigm
    October 6, 2013 at 8:42 PM

    Jack, I think there is a difference, though, in telling others what to believe about their own experiences, and telling others that there are folks out there who are manipulating the mentally ill for profit, status, or ego. People who are sick will feel they are being watched, etc., this has been known for a long time, and the culprit changes. But there is absolutely no reputable reasons why at this point, people should tolerate the abductionists or similar “researchers” in their larger circles.

  23. neko
    October 7, 2013 at 7:51 PM

    I didn’t comment much on this while this idea was hot, last week?

    …but while no one will probably read it, I will now.

    First, this woman didn’t appear to be influenced by any polemics by far right wing or left wing or any other political philosophy, or by any conspiracy theories.

    I’ve read several articles on this, it appears she had no attachment to any dogma at all. At least I can’t find anything in the papers or online.

    So, why are conspiracy theorists being brought up here so much?

    Ms. Carey clearly suffered from paranoia, and grandiose delusions. Like many people in this situation, she created fantasy narrative to explain her fears and create a sense of control. When you read it, this was hard to reconcile for us with logic or fact, because her logic circuits were not working right at a minimum.

    So, the question comes in, where did she construct these ideas and paradigms ( apologies, spooky. )

    Paranoid people suffering from a sense they are being watched ( anxiety ) cling to figures of power and other symbolic figures around them or in their culture’s folklore. They center their minds on them, because they explain things they can’t accept, and bridge gaps.

    In a sense, these are logical. They use existing, accepted ideas. They rarely invent new, senseless characters. The novelty of these ideas is generally incremental and in line with cultural beliefs, not antithetical to them. Because, to them, these are reality, not invention.

    The aliens, the trolls, the giant squid… the pattern in the persian carpet can be Iran sinisterly attempting to control your mind, if you need it to be because you are sick.

    It’s tempting to focus on ideas that seem sticky for crazy people, that lend themselves to paranoia and fear, or similar to paranoid fantasies ( because, I think, just possibly they are similar ), and point the finger there.

    But it’s also a little lazy, and I think deeply, radically backwards way of thinking. unhealthy minds are still unhealthy, even with everyone else being sane, these people would be crazy. In the end, whatever the paranoia, you may notice the mass shooters go not to random locations, but the ones they are most familiar with and know about.

    The monitoring of the NSA on people probably was on this woman’s mind, as it was on many of us. But she didn’t drive to the NSA. Because she probably had little idea where this is ( of course, there isn’t one location, but there are large facilities she could have tried ). Shooters go to their old workplaces, or schools, or the white house. Iconic or commonplace, what they share is a high level of familiarity.

    Apparently she was probably even listening to late night nut jobs, just the evening news. I think this because of statements like this:

    “Hundreds of law enforcement personnel, under the direction of the FBI, converged Thursday night on the Woodside Green Condominiums in Stamford where Carey lived. Police used a bomb-detecting robot to clear the residence. Chemical experts in rubber, hazardous material suits and contained breathing apparatus followed after some apparently unfounded concern about a hazardous substance in the home.

    A source familiar with the search said it turned up baby bottles and a crib, but no weapons, bombs or political tracts — nothing to indicate Carey had any particular problem with the government.” ~ October 05, 2013|By EDMUND H. MAHONY, emahony@courant.com, The Hartford Courant

    President Obama’s race, and his slightly apologist stance for questionable activities, were possibly on her mind. I don’t know, and possibly will never know, enough about this to say, but I see no reason to assume a connection to other ideas. The last shooter, as well, had a personal connection with the government, and he went where he knew.

    He didn’t need anyone to tell him some powerful force was affecting his mind. There was one. His illness.

    All he did was explain it to himself.

    And then he followed up by confronting it. For him, this involved his object of power ( a shotgun ). For Ms. Carey, it was her volvo and theocratic authority as a magical figure ( prophet ).

    The people with severe mental illness like this will settle on all sorts of things as explanations. Without conspiracy theories or Nessie, they will decide Pichachu or Pinnochio or Pistorius is the problem, and then take actions that seem to make no sense to us.

    We commit the same error when we assign a causal link based on heuristics of similarity and personal opinion.

    I would agree that there are ringing similarities between the ideas of the mentally ill and conspiracy theory. We can talk about that all we want, although I’m not sure how much of a conclusion we can reach there by doing so. That’s almost folklore categorization or psychology by narrative interpretation… a tricky, and generally strictly arcane practice.

    However, I think we haven’t established causation here. In this case, we haven’t even established correlation.

    So, aside from similarity, why is it coming up at all?

    I think a more fruitful look at this would be, why do ideas from conspiracy theorists resemble folkloric narratives, and the narratives of some of the mentally ill, and Hollywood action films?

    This is a really interesting question to me.

    If we want to make sense of the senseless, we can’t stop making sense.

  24. spookyparadigm
    October 7, 2013 at 9:22 PM

    “I think a more fruitful look at this would be, why do ideas from conspiracy theorists resemble folkloric narratives, and the narratives of some of the mentally ill, and Hollywood action films?”

    That’s my issue with it. As I said

    “People who are sick will feel they are being watched, etc., this has been known for a long time, and the culprit changes.”

    That’s not going to change

    But what you do see is people take the words of the mentally ill, and use it as creative juice for their ends.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Sharpe_Shaver

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_Experiment

    the relevant bit from the Philadelphia entry as there is a bunch of other stuff there

    “Observers have argued that it is inappropriate to grant much credence to an unusual story promoted by one individual, in the absence of more conclusive corroborating evidence. Robert Goerman wrote in Fate magazine in 1980, that “Carlos Allende” / “Carl Allen” was Carl Meredith Allen of New Kensington, Pennsylvania, who had an established history of psychiatric illness, and who may have fabricated the primary history of the experiment as a result of his mental illness. Goerman later realized that Allen was a family friend and “a creative and imaginative loner… sending bizarre writings and claims.”[14]

    The historian Mike Dash[2] notes that many authors who publicized the “Philadelphia Experiment” story after that of Jessup appeared to have conducted little or no research of their own: through the late 1970s, for example, Allende/Allen was often described as mysterious and difficult to locate. But Goerman determined Allende/Allen’s identity after only a few telephone calls. Others speculate that much of the key literature emphasizes dramatic embellishment rather than pertinent research. Berlitz’s and Moore’s account of the story (The Philadelphia Experiment: Project Invisibility) claimed to include supposedly factual information, such as transcripts of an interview with a scientist involved in the experiment, but their work has also been criticized for plagiarising key story elements from the novel Thin Air which was published a year earlier.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Bennewitz

    and probably

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candy_Jones

  25. Chris Howard
    October 8, 2013 at 10:46 AM

    As I stated earlier not all the mentally ill are conspiracy theorists, and not all conspiracy theorists are mentally ill.

    The reason I bring it up is because certain mental illnesses predispose a person to certain predictable behaviors, and perceptions.

    An addict is more predisposed to abuse drugs, and alcohol as a behavioral manifestation of their illness. This is true of certain other disorders. Paranoids, dellusionals, many personality disorders tend to be more prone to believing conspiracies, and conspiracy theories. (Not technically the same thing).

    I may be wrong but I think if one believes that ones mind is being controlled by a grandiose figure, in secret, one is delusional, and most likely paranoid.
    Or “I’m hearing voices!” (sensation/hallucination) “and it’s the president.” (perception/delusion) “and he’s telling me to do x, y, and z.” (Conspiracy).

  26. Chris Howard
    October 8, 2013 at 10:53 AM

    This would be the definition I’m thinking of:

    con·spir·a·cy (kn-spîr-s)
    n. pl. con·spir·a·cies
    1. An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.
    2. A group of conspirators.
    3. Law An agreement between two or more persons to commit a crime or accomplish a legal purpose through illegal action.
    4. A joining or acting together, as if by sinister design: a conspiracy of wind and tide that devastated coastal areas.

    In this instance she believed that the president was communicating with her, and she acted on it.

    You’d have to ask A Jones what his definition is, but apparently he thinks its a conspiracy, too. ;-)

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