A “Eucharistic miracle” or just disgusting?

I just thought I’d pass this along for our Spanish-speaking readers. The translation makes stories like these a bit unclear. It won’t do me much good to find the original source. But, since it’s a MIRACLE, I thought I’d let you know that a bleeding communion wafer is showing up on Brazil Weird News. Is the blood of Jesus?

Brazil Weird News: MEXICO. The Communion Wafer That Bleeds.

MEXICO, STATE OF JALISCO. CITY OF GUADALAJARA (the state capital). Wednesday, July 24, 2012. In the parish Maria Madre de la Iglesia, colônia Jardines de la Paz, the priest José Dolores Castellanos Gudiño – known as priest Lolo – revealed a transcendental experience: being in prayer, he listened a voice that instructed him to communicate a divine message to the community.

In the words of the priest, the voice told him: My dear apostle Dolores, today is a great day. The bells must ring for for call those that will come from all corners. I will pour out blessings for those who will be present.

A blessing would have been manifested immediately, in a Eucharistic miracle: when he opened the shrine (where communion wafers are stored), was there – inside the goblet of Consecration, a communion wafer dipped in a dark red liquid.

Color me Skeptical with a capital ‘S’. This source notes that the red liquid is being tested to see if it’s blood. So what if it is? That does not provide good evidence to conclude that this is a miracle. Let’s see what the church officials say. The chalice with the communion wafer were removed from public display after it drew big crowds.
bloody wafer

There have been numerous cases of supposedly real transubstantiation. In this case from 2011 in Minneapolis, the conclusion was that the wafer was contaminated with a bacterium species. I suspect some will still wish to believe in the faith-based explanation.

Feel free to weigh in.

  17 comments for “A “Eucharistic miracle” or just disgusting?

  1. Geoff Offermann
    July 29, 2013 at 5:50 PM

    When you believe in things that you don’t understand
    Then you suffer
    Superstition ain’t the way

  2. July 29, 2013 at 6:07 PM

    It’s suspicious because the priest’s personal tabernacle containing the “miracle” came from the his private chapel and the host was already bloody when he opened the tabernacle. He could have easily dipped the hosts in blood in his chapel and brought it to the main altar. It would have been more convincing if the host was first exposed on the altar as clean and then started bleeding in front of the group.

  3. Chris Howard
    July 29, 2013 at 7:44 PM

    I’m going with poor oral hygiene, and bleeding gums.

  4. July 29, 2013 at 11:56 PM

    There is a video on youtube now that shows the host bleeding and blood coming through the monstrance. Say what you will regarding it, if it was dipped in blood as you say, would the blood be enough or enough quantity to build up enough pressure to send a stream of blood between the seal of the glass containing it? It’s doubtful considering that if it was dipped in blood prior to being exposed then it would likely dry up and not continue to weep.

    For those who have faith no explanation is necessary, for those without faith no explanation will suffice.

  5. Eisbein
    July 30, 2013 at 12:48 AM

    People got canonized for less!

  6. jim1950a
    July 30, 2013 at 3:27 AM

    Raspberry jelly on bread.

  7. July 30, 2013 at 8:14 AM

    Excellent – the RCC has moved from symbolic cannibalism to actual cannibalism.

  8. July 30, 2013 at 1:27 PM

    Michael, would you have a problem (assuming it is blood, of course) with submitting the sample for genetic testing? I suppose no matter what the results are (from pig blood to the priest’s own blood to divine haploid blood) we could claim it was miraculously transformed in order that we still need faith, not proof. For those who have faith no explanation is necessary, for those without faith no explanation will suffice.

  9. July 30, 2013 at 2:00 PM
  10. July 30, 2013 at 2:06 PM

    when he opened the shrine (where communion wafers are stored), was there – inside the goblet of Consecration, a communion wafer dipped in a dark red liquid.

    So the wafer hadn’t even been consecrated yet?

    This miracle doesn’t even make sense within Catholic dogma.

  11. July 30, 2013 at 6:58 PM

    Hey Cuttle,

    Actually I would request that such a thing would take place and that is actually what is done. The blood from the Shroud of Turin was taken years ago and showed that it was AB+, a rare blood line in and of itself. The Sudarium of Oviedo which is referred to as the other Shroud of Christ was tested and it too came back to be AB+, one of the big Eucharistic Miracles called the Lanciano Eucharistic Miracle which happened in the 8th century and it was tested by scientists and the results were AB+. So I say.. test it, put it through the wringer and make sure that this is legit.

    http://www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/lanciano.html

    Regarding the Miracle of Lanciano, these are the results:

    In 1970-’71 and taken up again partly in 1981 there took place a scientific investigation by the most illustrious scientist Prof. Odoardo Linoli, eminent Professor in Anatomy and Pathological Histology and in Chemistry and Clinical Microscopy. He was assisted by Prof. Ruggero Bertelli of the University of Siena.

    The analyses were conducted with absolute and unquestionable scientific precision and they were documented with a series of microscopic photographs.
    These analyses sustained the following conclusions:

    The Flesh is real Flesh. The Blood is real Blood.

    The Flesh and the Blood belong to the human species.

    The Flesh consists of the muscular tissue of the heart.

    In the Flesh we see present in section: the myocardium, the endocardium, the vagus nerve and also the left ventricle of the heart for the large thickness of the myocardium.

    The Flesh is a “HEART” complete in its essential structure.

    The Flesh and the Blood have the same blood-type: AB (Blood-type identical to that which Prof. Baima Bollone uncovered in the Holy Shroud of Turin).

    In the Blood there were found proteins in the same normal proportions (percentage-wise) as are found in the sero-proteic make-up of the fresh normal blood.

    In the Blood there were also found these minerals: chlorides, phosphorus, magnesium, potassium, sodium and calcium.

    The preservation of the Flesh and of the Blood, which were left in their natural state for twelve centuries and exposed to the action of atmospheric and biological agents, remains an extraordinary phenomenon.

    You can laugh or make fun of this all you want… but the facts remain that in each of the approved miracles, the DNA matches up perfectly with the blood taken from the Shroud of Turin.

    Thanks!

    Michael

    • July 30, 2013 at 10:38 PM

      Citation please. None of this is confirmed, AFAIK. You can hype all you want but other tests have shown the shroud to be a later fake, among other problems with it. Evidence for miracles? Nonsense.

      This is not a place for proselytizing. You need to have backup if you are going to make such claims. Where are the published papers? Why isn’t the church touting this, then?

      Also, try to stay on topic.

  12. July 30, 2013 at 7:00 PM

    Jens,

    Actually the Tabernacle is where the consecrated hosts are contained, so there were no unconsecrated hosts in the Tabernacle. It is in line with Catholic dogma.

    Pax,

    Michael

  13. Fred
    July 30, 2013 at 9:57 PM

    Its usually type AB blood.

    It would be interesting to do a DNA test from this and other past places where this has happened.

  14. Brian
    July 30, 2013 at 10:55 PM

    @ Michael:

    I offer the following argument: Why is god bleeding all over wafers, when the *real* miraculous feats are needed, such as feeding the poor, healing the sick, AND ALL OF IT SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN.

    Until such time as your god decides to actually do *real* miracles, this is little more than a circus trick to bring in more suckers to fill the collection plates. ALL of these sorts of ‘miracles’ have been proven to be hoaxes.

  15. July 30, 2013 at 11:30 PM

    IDoubtIt,

    Here is a reference for the Lanciano Miracle. Please note where this citation is hosted and who wrote it.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4950729

    Linoli O. [Histological, immunological and biochemiccal studies on the flesh
    and blood of the eucharistic miracle of Lanciano (8th century)]. Quad Sclavo
    Diagn. 1971 Sep;7(3):661-74. Italian. PubMed PMID: 4950729.

    Thanks,

    Michael

    • a Martin
      May 5, 2014 at 9:35 AM

      The article is not available on PubMed anymore (for whatever reason) but it’s important to point out that there’s no ”miracle claims” in it.

      So these two:

      ”In the Blood there were found proteins in the same normal proportions (percentage-wise) as are found in the sero-proteic make-up of the fresh normal blood.”

      and

      ”The preservation of the Flesh and of the Blood, which were left in their natural state for twelve centuries and exposed to the action of atmospheric and biological agents, remains an extraordinary phenomenon.”

      are nothing that the article from Dr. Linoli supports, rather the opposite – the blood behaves just as expected for its age .
      The article is examined here: http://arumanchan.blogspot.se/2008/08/eucharist-miracles-miracle-of-lanciano_12.html

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