Flat Earth? Absurd. Climate change? Not at all.

Ironic, isn’t it?

Actually, even the Flat Earth Society believes in climate change – Salon.com.

In his big speech on climate change today, President Obama mocked Republicans who deny the existence of man-made global warming by derisively referring to them as members of “the Flat Earth Society.”

“We don’t have time for a meeting of the Flat Earth Society,” Obama said. “Sticking your head in the sand might make you feel safer, but it’s not going to protect you from the coming storm.”

As it turns out, there is a real Flat Earth Society and its president thinks that anthropogenic climate change is real. In an email to Salon, president Daniel Shenton said that while he “can’t speak for the Society as a whole regarding climate change,” he personally thinks the evidence suggests fossil fuel usage is contributing to global warming.

More about the historic speech:

‘We Need to Act': Obama’s Climate Fight Draws a Green Line on Keystone – Philip Bump – The Atlantic Wire.

Obama’s Climate Change Speech in Just Three Words: Less Coal, Finally – Philip Bump – The Atlantic Wire.

Dear climate change denialists: Go pound sand. The days of King Coal and Big Oil are over.

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  6 comments for “Flat Earth? Absurd. Climate change? Not at all.

  1. Chris Howard
    June 26, 2013 at 12:21 AM

    Willful ignorance, and denial of standards for best evidence should be grounds for getting kicked out of office.

  2. June 26, 2013 at 2:24 AM

    Fairly obviously the arrival of humans on Earth (especially in our increasing numbers over the past two centuries) will have contributed to climate change. However the underlying continual evolution of the earth and, even more important, the sun must be of much greater impact. Human society may change in ways that will lessen its own contribution. It will certainly adjust to environmental alterations, in any way it can, in order for our kind to survive.
    What is true, is that no man or woman has ever willed any change at all since our species first arrived. Change only comes by evolution. Politicians just gives us words and those have evolved as well.

  3. Chris Howard
    June 26, 2013 at 8:58 AM

    “What is true, is that no man or woman has ever willed any change at all since our species first arrived”

    That strikes me as obviously false. What do you mean by that?

    Are you saying that human beings have changed nothing in our environment(s), both natural and social, since we’ve been on the planet?

    I would think an honest and accurate reading of history would say otherwise, no?

    I suppose it all hinges on the operational definitions of “will” and “change”?

  4. June 26, 2013 at 11:23 AM

    @Chris
    Try my article which may explain my comment, http://www.shropshirelive.com/2013/02/27/why-do-most-of-us-believe-something-that-cannot-be-true/
    No person has ever wilfully changed anything, we are all creatures of events. Don’t take my word for it. Baruch Spinoza, Bertrand Russell & Francis Crick are among many who have said the same thing. Look them up.

  5. One Eyed Jack
    June 26, 2013 at 2:42 PM

    “What is true, is that no man or woman has ever willed any change at all since our species first arrived”

    That strikes me as obviously false. What do you mean by that?

    I don’t want to speak for Michael, but I suspect this has to do with his determinism schtick. Whether humans do or don’t have an effect and whether that effect is coincidental or conscious, it’s only an illusion of choice / free will.

    I’m curious to know how he thinks the Sun is affecting our current spike in global change. There is no evidence to show that solar activity has had a significant contribution to the last 100+ years of global warming.

  6. Pete Attkins
    June 26, 2013 at 4:00 PM

    The Sun is a very stable star: Earth’s total solar irradiance (TSI) is estimated to have varied by only 0.1 to 0.2% over the last 2000 years. However, the UV part of the spectrum varies considerably. UV creates ozone and heat in the stratosphere therefore variations affect the size of the ozone hole and the stratospheric temperature.
    http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/SORCE/sorce_04.php
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_variation

    I’m not implying that increased UV irradiance is responsible for recent global warming, I’m just pointing out that its effect is not yet well understood.

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