Military guys telling fantastic stories fail to help solve UFO mysteries

In a followup to this story, the content of the lecture was revealed. Secrets, but no evidence.

UFO military secrets revealed, but revelations spark more questions

The U.S. government has been accused of a long-running, massive cover-up of a secret agency that solely deals with evidence and information about UFOs and alien visitors, and the claim comes from several high-ranking military officers and a British secret agent who all gathered here over the weekend.

Lee told me that the bold accusation about the government’s secret UFO agency was made by former Air Force Col. Charles Halt, saying: “I’m firmly convinced there’s an agency, and there is an effort to suppress.” Two former Air Force officers who were part of Project Blue Book, the official military UFO investigation in the 1950s and ’60s, and a former investigator with Britain’s Ministry of Defense also were on the panel “Military UFOs: Secrets Revealed.”

I joined the group the night before the panel at a dinner at the museum, which houses the controversial Area 51 exhibit. I was impressed with their reputations, military standings and convictions on the subject sometimes scoffed and scorned by others. These were distinguished and serious-thinking military men with their own UFO experiences. Col. Halt himself when a U.K. military base commander at RAF Bentwater was one of numerous eyewitnesses to several UFOs.

Source: Las Vegas Sun

There are many problems with stories EVEN from military officers. First, AND FOREMOST, everyone can be fooled. Authority means nothing if you are a person telling an extraordinary story. No one knows all the facts. Observations are flawed. Memory gets warped. There is a disconnect between what event really happened, what gets reported and what has been interpreted. Also, we just don’t know the details because information is missing and can never be retrieved.

Second, we get to the right answer when lots of arrows point in the same direction. All we have with UFOs is stories. Stories, more stories. Why don’t we have evidence from other places that point towards a problem to be solved? Why such scant and poor physical evidence, why so few reinforcing pieces of evidence? No, we have allegations of coverup. We have no progress in 50 years.

Third, there is no denying that strange experiences happen. But to assume it is UFOs, some external cause, some threat, is not warranted. A recent Skeptical Inquirer piece suggested that pilots, for example, did not realize they were experiencing optical illusions that may have been the reason they felt disoriented and reported UFOs (strange lights that appeared to follow them). Are we barking up the wrong tree by assuming that the cause is external, not internal? That’s actually a more reasonable approach than thinking physics-violating craft are visiting earth.

The investigation into UFO sightings doesn’t need these military guys spouting more fantastic stories to feed the baseless hype, we need to take a fresh look at the topic from a different perspective.

Also, see this post on the National Atomic Museum invoking Carl Sagan. Stop it, you are ridiculous.

  9 comments for “Military guys telling fantastic stories fail to help solve UFO mysteries

  1. Bmuenkel
    September 27, 2012 at 12:19 PM

    Wow, that is ridiculous. Just because our meager little understanding of physics does not allow forthe behavior of these reported ufos, this guy wants to say it was an optical illusion. Right! Come on!!!’ these people KNOW what they saw!!!!! Why are people so ridiculous about streching beyond what they know, and realizing that there is so much more that we do not know! We do not have all the answers! That does nt make a thing any less real!

  2. September 27, 2012 at 12:23 PM

    Why do they know what they saw any better than some other observer? Pilots mess up observations all the time. Humans are terrible eyewitnesses and have unreliable memories.

    We do not get to reliable knowledge by counting on stories. Something concrete is needed. Otherwise, we’d have a handle on witches, demons and ghosts by now too.

  3. September 27, 2012 at 2:58 PM

    I have no argument that these people SAW something. But knowing you saw something and knowing what it is are 2 different things. What I find disturbing in UFO stories is that they ALL make a leap and claim EXTRATERRESTRIALS before ruling out (or considering alternative explanations). Occam’s Razor, folks.

    The amount of evidence pointing to aliens is the same as if the explanation for what they saw was a ghost or a sky-yeti: zilch.

    Optical illusions are proven to exist. So are hallucinations. A cursory check of PubMed shows that spatial disorientation and G-force indiced hypoxia is a risk factor taken seriously by the military.

    Why not exhaust those possibilities before turning to little green men?

  4. September 27, 2012 at 4:14 PM

    I suppose that the evidence for UFOs is hard to define in scientific terms but UFO stories do have great appeal for the general public.

  5. Melissa
    September 28, 2012 at 2:40 AM

    Just because these military men worked on a special project for the Air Force does not equal aliens. The military and secret project SHOULD immediately make you think of high powered weapons and aircraft being created and tested SECRETLY.
    Many people are given small pieces of information when they work on these projects. They rarely know the whole scope but again it doesn’t mean UFOs or aliens. The drones used today, could have easily been mistaken in a desert sky in the middle of nowhere as a UFO because it was. At the time, now it’s a drone. Also keeping a secret isn’t always sinister, why announce a high tech fighter jet until you know it will actually work ….. ?

  6. Rich
    September 28, 2012 at 12:44 PM

    The phrase “we do not know all the answers.”

    Is it more likely to be followed by

    a)”So we should maintain an open mind, being unable to positively prove the proposition one way or another; we can however make some informed decisions based on probability and what we know of the inherent unreliability of long-past eye-witness accounts.”


    b) “But it’s definitely aliens”?

  7. Shooter
    September 30, 2012 at 12:31 AM

    Is it any wonder that UFO sightings mostly occur in the desert? Because natural hallucinogens just happen to be growing freely.

    It’s a tactic by UFOlogists that just because the military says it is so, it is true. This is the appeal to authority fallacy. Many of my favourite blogs have degraded themselves to talking about this UFO religion. Even on a CREATIONIST website I found said that UFOs were nothing but the product of a growing, fanatical religion/pseudoscience.

    By the way, doesn’t the concept of a flying “saucer” just defy physics? I’ve never seen a bird shaped like that. A flying saucer just defies the mechanies of flight. Please correct me if I am wrong on this.

  8. Shooter
    September 30, 2012 at 12:38 AM

    *mechanics. Silly typo.

  9. Rich
    September 30, 2012 at 6:18 AM

    Slightly wrong; there haven’t been many disc-shaped aircraft, you’re right there, but there have certainly been a few genuine disc aircraft designs that have flown.

    If you do an image search for ‘disc shaped aircraft’ you’ll find a number.

    You’re 100% correct on the appeal to authority of military experts, though. Military says “no UFOS” = evidence of cover up. Military men say “UFOs” = the military wouldn’t lie to us.

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